Hofstra Gang Rape Hoax

[srmom]

What do y'all think of this -

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_289774.html

Thank heavens for these boys that one of them filmed it on their camera - but YUCK! The whole thing is just nasty - consensual or not!

Also, was that film headed for YouTube??

Living in 2009 - strange world!!

[UGAalum94]

I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

[AGDee]

I get very angry at the woman when this type of thing happens. Although it shouldn't, it affects the credibility of ALL women so that when another young woman really IS gang raped, people think of cases like this and wonder if they are lying. And, what is the motive in lying about something like this???

[Little32]

^^Not to mention that these kinds of charges ruin lives, even if they are ultimately found to be untrue. The accused continue to carry that stigma.

Of course, in this situation, they should probably bear some sort of stigma, because that is nasty and troubling all around.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

Just to be clear:

Since you're proposing that it may not be in the normal range of behavior for both men and women, that means that all 6 participants are either dumb perverts or mentally and emotionally unstable. Or, both.

What's good for the goose (women) is good for the gander (men). And vice versa.

[Psi U MC Vito]

I hope they press charges on her. She could have ruined the lives of those involved, not to mention that the time that was spent investigating her case could have been used ot help real victims.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I agree that the whole situation is nasty.

This may be a too repressive view of female sexuality, but I don't think it's in the normal range of behavior to want to have sex with five guys on the same occasion.

I think any decent men should recognize that there's probably something wrong with the woman in question if it appears that she does want to do so. In my opinion, she may be in poor mental health or impaired by drugs and alcohol.

I'm not saying that the legal standard should make it impossible for a woman to consent to this kind of sexual encounter, just that if you are a decent human being at all, you should refrain from participating because it's so unlikely that it's a positive thing for her.

I have no idea what would make guys want to participate in that. It also seems way out of the normal range. Even if they aren't technically raping her, it seems so likely to be unhealthy mentally and emotionally that I don't get it, unless you actually like the idea of victimizing someone with your buddies.

Congratulations, guys at Hofstra. You aren't rapists. You're just dumb perverts.

It's not so much a "repressive view of female sexuality" as much as it is simply a horrifically near-sighted and egocentric view of other people.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I hope they press charges on her. She could have ruined the lives of those involved, not to mention that the time that was spent investigating her case could have been used ot help real victims.

This.

[rhoyaltempest]

this is really sad and judging by the comments, this will give many an excuse to say that most women lie about rape when in fact many women who have been raped don't report it at all.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Unfortunately I think this also encourages men to video sexual encounters without a woman's knowledge.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Unfortunately I think this also encourages men to video sexual encounters without a woman's knowledge.

Then women may make it known that they were filmed without their knowledge. They should not say that the sex was nonconsensual because they are embarassed and have regrets (if that's what happened in this instance).

Since she has recanted her story and there is no evidence to the contrary, this all boils down to women and men being more selective and cautious when it comes to sex; and not just when it comes to birth control and wearing protection. Casual sex changes in meaning and consequences with changes in social norms and technology.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Just to be clear:

Since you're proposing that it may not be in the normal range of behavior for both men and women, that means that all 6 participants are either dumb perverts or mentally and emotionally unstable. Or, both.

What's good for the goose (women) is good for the gander (men). And vice versa.

Yeah I'm suggesting that, but for very different reasons.

I think perhaps a significant percentage of men (maybe not a majority) wouldn't mind attempting a sexual encounter with five women. I don't think that makes them abnormal because for the most part, and I think studies bear this out, more men than women are comfortable with simply physical encounters and aren't bothered by the idea of being perceived as "sluts." (This may be a bad thing socially, but it doesn't mean it's untrue.)

On the other hand, I don't think the majority of men want to be part of a five guy posse involved with sex with a crazy person.

So I think it means something bad and unhealthy about everyone involved, but not exactly the same bad and unhealthy thing.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

It's not so much a "repressive view of female sexuality" as much as it is simply a horrifically near-sighted and egocentric view of other people.

Please explain.

ETA: I'm just thinking about this more. Do you think it is normal in the sense of being in the statistical middle to want to have this kind of encounter if you are female? Do you think the majority of women who would consent are healthy and unimpaired? Or is it egocentric of me to assume that it would be a positive thing generally if people didn't try to have sex with people when that sex was likely to be harmful to the other person?

Or is it just my easy willingness to pass judgment of other people's sexual behavior?

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Then women may make it known that they were filmed without their knowledge. They should not say that the sex was nonconsensual because they are embarassed and have regrets (if that's what happened in this instance).

Since she has recanted her story and there is no evidence to the contrary, this all boils down to women and men being more selective and cautious when it comes to sex; and not just when it comes to birth control and wearing protection. Casual sex changes in meaning and consequences with changes in social norms and technology.

I don't think you understood what I meant. This gives some guys a "convenient" excuse to video women without their knowledge in the future, ("Oh, I video all my partners cuz I don't want to get a rape charge! <wink wink>. Want to see some of my best work?").

I don't approve of what this woman did, or other women who cry rape when it was consentual. Not only did this chick make women open to more speculation, but she also might have encouraged more men to video sex with ladies without consent, which is NOT OK.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

I don't think you understood what I meant.

I did, and was picking up where your point left off.