recruitment at UT

randomthetaphi · #1 05-09-2001, 10:34 AM

This is to anyone and everyone who is willing to help. I am the recruitment chair at the University of Tampa and am in desperate need of help. We need girls. We only have about 8 members who are returning for rush this fall and the university is expecting approximately 300 girls to go through the recruiment proccess. Work week begins August 19 and rush starts August 29 so if any of you would be intersted in visiting Tampa ( I promise to feed and house)please respond asap. Thank you, Random

PenguinTrax · #2 05-09-2001, 10:59 AM

Does your national have a National Recruitment Team or Graduate Advisor that can come help your chapter during recruitment? Is there another chapter of your group nearby that can assist you during the week? What about alumnae in your area?

I would have thought all these plans would have been worked out before you left for semester break? I know that at FSU, all recruitment plans are laid in place before everyone leaves at the end of the semester.

How many members are returning to the other chapters on campus?

More details please..including your Fraternity affiliation. That way, other sisters from your sorority can offer even more pertinent help.

AlphaChiGirl · #3 05-09-2001, 11:40 AM

Please feel free to email me. I'm from a small chapter who just inititaed a QUALITY pledge class...it took a lot of work, but I would love to help anyone in our position!

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shadokat · #4 05-09-2001, 02:14 PM

I have a lot of experience with rush in SMALL chapters as well. Please feel free to email me with specifics, and I'd be happy to help.

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USFSDTAlum · #5 05-10-2001, 12:24 AM

Hey theta Phi:
Have you thought about asking any of the girls at USF, we finish rush the 25th, so some girls may be available for help. If you contact the chapter presidents they might be able to help. Although most girls have gone home for the summer, a lot of the chpaters have list serves the presidents could post on. Sorry I can't be of anymore help.

mtm · #6 01-21-2009, 06:16 AM

I have a daughter at IU who had the maximum number of call backs during Rush but then didn't receive a bid. Very distressing situation which is difficult to understand. I have a couple of questions. Does the order of preference submitted by the Rushee play a role in whether she will receive a bid? And what is a suicide preference and how does it enhance the possibility that the Rushee will receive a bid?

SWTXBelle · #7 01-21-2009, 07:40 AM

Short answer -

- Yes, the pnm's preferences are the first consideration at bid match. But the chapter's bid lists PLUS the pnm's preferences are what will determine the ultimate outcome.

- NO - suiciding does not increase the chance she will match with that chapter.

There are several excellent threads here on bid matching - I'm running out the door in a minute or I would find them for you. Search, or perhaps another GCer can suggest some threads.

I am sorry things did not work out better for your daughter.

mtm · #8 01-21-2009, 08:35 AM

Thanks for the reply. Still not completely understanding the process. Does the failure to receive a bid when the pnm received maximum call backs mean that no chapter ultimately wanted the pnm? Or can the failure to receive a bid mean that the matching betweem the pnm and chapters who called her back was too disparate?

mtm · #9 01-21-2009, 09:37 AM

One additional question. Is there any advantage to suiciding and if not, why is it done? Thanks. I am trying to determing if it is worthwhile for my daughter to go through the process again.

jwright25 · #10 01-21-2009, 09:57 AM

Is Indiana the school where there is no Quota? Where chapters can only take up to house capacity?

Suiciding (Intentional Single Preference) does NOT in any way maximize a chance to get a bid. In fact it lessens that chance dramatically. The only reason a PNM would ISP is if there is one house and one house only that she would accept a bid to. And she would rather not be Greek than to be in the other houses.

Welcome to GreekChat.

You might get more replies if you started a new thread with Indiana in the title - this thread is almost 8 years old and refers to Tampa.

Good luck!

BadCat25 · #11 01-21-2009, 10:15 AM

mtm
It sounds like your daughter was crosscut. This happens when the chapter your daughter ranks No 1 has her down their bid list and fills up to quota before her name comes up. The chapter your daughter ranks No 2 fills up to quota with PNMs who rank them No 1 before your daughters name comes up. It doesn't mean that either chapter didn't like her. It doesn't happen very often and many schools have bid rules to prevent this from happening.
A suicide bid never increases your chances of receiving a bid although some PNMs believe that it does. The only reason anyone should do it is if you would only join that one chapter and would not join the other chapters under any circumstances.
As far as going through the process again you should be aware that at schools with a competative rush it rarely works out very well. She might be better off to look into opportunities for informal recruitment. At most colleges there are a few chapters that do that.

KSUViolet06 · #12 01-21-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mtm

One additional question. Is there any advantage to suiciding and if not, why is it done? Thanks. I am trying to determing if it is worthwhile for my daughter to go through the process again.

Something to think about, at a school like IU, it generally is more difficult to get a bid the second time around. I'm assuming she will be a sophomore next year, and sophs have a harder time at recruitment than freshmen do.

If there are informal recruitment opportunities, she could look into those.

violetpretty · #13 01-21-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BadCat25

mtm
It sounds like your daughter was crosscut. This happens when the chapter your daughter ranks No 1 has her down their bid list and fills up to quota before her name comes up. The chapter your daughter ranks No 2 fills up to quota with PNMs who rank them No 1 before your daughters name comes up. It doesn't mean that either chapter didn't like her. It doesn't happen very often and many schools have bid rules to prevent this from happening.

When people say "cross cut" they may mean different things. It is a myth that the order a PNM ranks her chapters determines whether she gets a bid or not. It depends where a PNM is on the chapters' bid lists. For example, suppose a PNM ranks Alpha first and Beta second, but she is on the second bid list of Alpha and the first bid list of Beta. Some people believe that a PNM would be "cross cut" unless the PNM ranks Beta first because Beta will fill their pledge class with PNMs who ranked them first. Not true. The PNM's "place" is held in Beta until she matches elsewhere. If Alpha fills their pledge class before they get to this PNM's name, she will match with Beta if she is high enough there. PNM's get "cross cut" if they are not high enough on EITHER chapters' bid lists. However, many schools will make every attempt to match a PNM who maximizes her options via quota additions if she does not match with the initial bid matching.

lyrelyre · #14 01-21-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BadCat25

mtm
It sounds like your daughter was crosscut. This happens when the chapter your daughter ranks No 1 has her down their bid list and fills up to quota before her name comes up. The chapter your daughter ranks No 2 fills up to quota with PNMs who rank them No 1 before your daughters name comes up. It doesn't mean that either chapter didn't like her. It doesn't happen very often and many schools have bid rules to prevent this from happening.

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Originally Posted by violetpretty

When people say "cross cut" they may mean different things. It is a myth that the order a PNM ranks her chapters determines whether she gets a bid or not. It depends where a PNM is on the chapters' bid lists. For example, suppose a PNM ranks Alpha first and Beta second, but she is on the second bid list of Alpha and the first bid list of Beta. Some people believe that a PNM would be "cross cut" unless the PNM ranks Beta first because Beta will fill their pledge class with PNMs who ranked them first. Not true. The PNM's "place" is held in Beta until she matches elsewhere. If Alpha fills their pledge class before they get to this PNM's name, she will match with Beta if she is high enough there. PNM's get "cross cut" if they are not high enough on EITHER chapters' bid lists. However, many schools will make every attempt to match a PNM who maximizes her options via quota additions if she does not match with the initial bid matching.

Thank you! I don't know why I have this irrational hatred of the term "cross cut." It's just one of those recruitment "myths" that won't die.

mtm · #15 01-21-2009, 06:31 PM

This is still confusing at best. It seem improbable that a PNM, like my daughter at IU, would receive the maximum 12 call backs (the average on her floor was 4) and then the maximum 6 call backs (the average on her floor was 3) and not receive a call back from any sorority for the next round. Six of the sororities rated her high enough for a call back twice. It almost seems as though the PNMs who receive the maximum number of call backs are at a disadvantage since such a PNM is forced to rate 6 sororities instead of, for example, a PMN with two call backs. More call backs seem to create a greater risk not matching.