Bristol Palin Claims Virginity Was "Stolen"

DrPhil · #1 06-28-2011, 10:02 AM

http://www.hulu.com/watch/253378/abc...ity-was-stolen

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Then she says "I'm not accusing Levi of date rape or rape at all...I'm just looking back with adult eyes...that was a foolish decision...blah blah blah...."

She knows damn well that saying her virginity was "stolen" (rather than stupidly given) creates a particular tone that is perfect for selling her memoir.

Her memoir is about the lessons she has learned so far and the stupid decisions she has made. Uh...memoirs are either hit or miss as far as I'm concerned. Some memoirs are powerful and others are people's diaries that should've remained private. Bristol Palin is working on her own fame and a reality show. She's so unimportant that I hope people don't extend her 15 minutes too long. I guess I'm helping her by making this thread.

Drolefille · #2 06-28-2011, 10:10 AM

It rather does sound like she was date raped, whether she was or not, I don't know. But I'm not going to doubt her story because I don't like her mother's politics.

thetaj · #3 06-28-2011, 10:11 AM

I know she thinks she's important and special and all, but I don't think she's got anything new to say.

It sounds like she's just trying to cover her ass by saying it was stolen but not accusing him of date rape.

agzg · #4 06-28-2011, 10:16 AM

The whole thing sounds really confused to me. Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me. I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

Drolefille · #5 06-28-2011, 10:18 AM

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The whole thing sounds really confused to me. Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me. I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

Nope. I agree. I'm not going to force the label on her, but I'm not going to doubt her either. It sounds like date rape, and maybe she doesn't see it that way, and ok that's fine then.

DrPhil · #6 06-28-2011, 10:22 AM

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Which, to be quite honest, is not altogether uncommon for both victims of date rape as well as women who regret the choices they've made in their sex life. So it could go either way for me.

She and her people know that. Mission accomplished on their end.

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I'm not gonna make her carry the torch for victims of date rape, though - no one should be forced to.

I don't believe everyone who was tipsy and even drunk was date raped. I would be more inclined to believe that only sober sex was consensual sex if there wasn't a gender and sexual orientation bias in date rape claims. I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.

She said Levi Johnston "got her drunk." How old was he and was he also drunk? Anyway, I call bullshit attempt to sell a memoir. Yep.

madoug · #7 06-28-2011, 10:52 AM

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I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.

I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

thetaj · #8 06-28-2011, 11:00 AM

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I simply don't agree with alcohol being the deciding factor rather than the context and actions.

I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

I don't think that's what she was saying. I think she meant instead of saying that alcohol means agreement, that alcohol neither means agreement nor disagreement every time. It's all contextual.

DrPhil · #9 06-28-2011, 11:00 AM

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I can verify for you that 30 years ago at least, a girl being drunk was the extract deciding factor on if certain "un"gentlemen selected a girl to be a sexual target which results were very much rape. I am fortunate that a more gentlemanly brother saw my impending fate and recused me. My friend was not so fortunate. So I certainly hope that you don't think that the context of overconsumation of alcohol is de facto agreement to be intimate. I had thought we had made more progress than that.

You know neither my personal nor my professional background and experiences. So spare me.

And I find great irony in how you removed the context of my post to fit your story and what you wanted my post to be saying. I guess "context and actions" was missed on you.

AnotherKD · #10 06-28-2011, 10:54 AM

Full disclosure: I am a Republican. That being said, I think that Sarah Palin and her entire family are idiots that give some of us more moderate Republicans a really bad name. (And don't even get me started on Bachmann...) But I am completely with you all in that I'm sure it's just to sell books. I can't wait until this family is out of the spotlight.

33girl · #11 06-28-2011, 11:02 AM

The only thing this stupid bitch feels sorry about is that she got pregnant, got caught, and realized the dude she was boffing was an idiot. She was no more date raped than I was this morning when my cat climbed on me. IT'S ALL TO SELL BOOKS.

The sooner this whole idiotic family goes back to Alaska and gets eaten by a bear, the better.

DrPhil · #12 06-28-2011, 11:13 AM

I have to be careful because I don't want to sound like Tom Joyner who proved to be a dumbass (I still like his show, respect him, and Coleman Love) when he made fun of Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Leonard was on the Tom Joyner Morning Show talking about his autobiography in which he shares that he was sexually abused by a coach when he was younger. Tom Joyner and crew laughed at him and basically called him an idiot because he's a boxer and no one is going to believe that. They told him to stop with the dumb stuff and get back to talking about the sport.

I was so flabbergasted and angered by that. I didn't listen to Tom Joyner for a while.

With that said, I do think Bristol Palin is most likely full of shit. That doesn't mean that I don't believe that many women and men (people often laugh when I talk about men being raped) are date raped while under the influence of alcohol. It means that I don't think that every inebriated sexual encounter is automatically date rape because of the ALCOHOL + FEMALE + HETEROSEXUAL SEX equation. And I think Palin's people have planned this to garner a combination of confusion and compassion for potential date rape victims who may be unaware of their victimization.

thetaj · #13 06-28-2011, 11:23 AM

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I have to be careful because I don't want to sound like Tom Joyner who proved to be a dumbass (I still like his show, respect him, and Coleman Love) when he made fun of Sugar Ray Leonard. Sugar Ray Leonard was on the Tom Joyner Morning Show talking about his autobiography in which he shares that he was sexually abused by a coach when he was younger. Tom Joyner and crew laughed at him and basically called him an idiot because he's a boxer and no one is going to believe that. They told him to stop with the dumb stuff and get back to talking about the sport.

I was so flabbergasted and angered by that. I didn't listen to Tom Joyner for a while.

With that said, I do think Bristol Palin is most likely full of shit. That doesn't mean that I don't believe that many women and men are date raped while under the influence of alcohol. It means that I don't think that every inebriated sexual encounter is automatically date rape because of the ALCOHOL + FEMALE + HETEROSEXUAL SEX equation. And I think Palin's people have planned this to garner a combination of confusion and compassion for potential date rape victims who may be unaware of their victimization.

This is what I see.

she's aiming for:
hobag<------------|Bristol|------------>date rape victim

Morally neutral, can't feel bad for her, can't blame her. She gets to stir the pot, create publicity, escape consequences. Someone's PR department has been working on this for a long time, I think, but instead of buying it I have to just roll my eyes, simply because of who she is. If neutral ground is what she wants, then fine, Bristol, I couldn't care less about your situation. Congrats, you're not that special. I guess she's hoping someone will ride that boring wave. I can't imagine having a life so dull that I would actually be interested in buying this book.

reminds me of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOM4AMV050A

Educatingblue · #14 07-10-2011, 11:28 AM

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Full disclosure: I am a Republican. That being said, I think that Sarah Palin and her entire family are idiots that give some of us more moderate Republicans a really bad name. (And don't even get me started on Bachmann...) But I am completely with you all in that I'm sure it's just to sell books. I can't wait until this family is out of the spotlight.

I agree with you 100%! I'm actually glad Palin and few others have decided to identify themselves with the Tea Party. I have heard a lot of independents and even on the fence democrats who are taking a closer look at the Republican party now that the riff raff is gone.

First, who can take the memoir of a HS dropout seriously? Second, she would be expected to say something to explain why the daughter of such a religious, conservative exhibited the behavior of someone with questionable values.

Low C Sharp · #15 06-28-2011, 11:07 AM

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She said Levi Johnston "got her drunk."

You know, if she's going to be part of a movement that's supposedly about personal responsibility...unless he tied her up and poured the alcohol down her throat, Levi didn't get her drunk. BRISTOL got her drunk. Sheesh.

They were both under 21 at the time she got pregnant.