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Originally Posted by breathesgelatin
That's nice. As someone fairly close to the situation, I think you somewhat mischaracterize Sigma Phi Epsilon in this scenario as "more concerned with insurance cost than chapter quality." To be honest, I don't totally agree that the charter should have been yanked. Especially given the general goings-on at W&L fraternities, what happened with W&L SPE was fairly minor. However, there were certainly reasons that the charter was yanked, reasons that I believe SigEp could easily cite and would be in line with the risk management standards it publicizes to its members.. Of course, SigEp is back on campus at W&L now, for better or worse, as a Balanced Man chapter. ADPhi, not so much.
You do misrepresent ADPhi's actions at W&L. You are correct that you initiated a chapter where (as I noted in my post) you did legally interpret that the members were free. I do NOT believe that the letter to members expelled them. In fact, I believe it made them alumni while yanking the chapter charter. I can't confirm this 100% but I bet neither can you - neither of us have copies of the letter. However, when you initiated the W&L ADPhi "chapter" you had no house (at a school where all fraternities are housed), no guarantee of campus or IFC recognition, no nothing really.
Let me put it this way: I didn't know anything about ADPhi before you "colonized" at W&L. Now I basically think ADPhi is a joke fraternity that leeches onto other groups' expelled chapters.
You need to have a serious, serious discussion within your fraternity about what this is going to do to your image if you continue this practice.
I'd also like to see your comments on what you think of 70% of the former ADPhi "chapter" then going on to join Phi Kappa Psi.
Thanks.
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1. I have seen the letter(several years ago)
2. The former SPE Chapter members approached US.
3. The group knew that school recognition could be an issue
4. the group knew that it wouldn't have an official on campus house, perhaps for a while, and had arranged for an off-campus house.
5. IMHO, SPE looks for any excuse to force their chapters into the "Balanced Man" program- the charter was pulled because they refused.
6. Unlike SPE, we don't force members to stay if they don't wish to. Both ADPhi and the group at W&L entered into this in good faith. When things did not work out well, we weren't going to hold the men against their will.
The other former chapters had been locals for 6 and 15+ years respectively. How long does a group have to remain a local before you wouldn't consider it "leeching"? During the same time we've started six other chapters and affiliates and restarted two chapters.
I'm unclear as to your objection. Is it that you felt the groups are not quality groups, or strictly the process at W&L? Do you feel that the men at W&L were mistreated by ADPhi? Or is it that you didn't respect the group prior to their affiliation with AD?