Planet of the Apes

SilverTurtle · #1 07-28-2001, 02:32 PM

Who's seen this movie? Thumbs up or thumbs down.

I really enjoyed it. I've heard a lot of complaints that there wasn't enough of a human element like the original. I think that was part of Tim Burton's point, that maybe humans aren't the only important creatures in the universe. And then there's the whole race issue... the original was supposed to be an allegory of race relations in the U.S. It's not played up so heavily in this version, but it's still there.

I'd recommend ignoring the critics and seeing it for what it is. A good story, awesome makeup, interesting social commentary. (The acting itself was a little lacking, with the exception of Tim Roth, but not bad).

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bucutie02 · #2 07-28-2001, 11:51 PM

I didnt know it was already out!! I never saw the original one, but i do want to go see this one. It looks interesting

DGPhoney · #3 07-28-2001, 11:52 PM

hey I just saw it last nite, I think it was an alright movie. I just really am not pressed to see Mark W. as an actor, but I think they should have gotten another person for that role. But the movie it's self was a little bit confusing, not that much similar to the first one, but it still fit the bill.
"Damn Dirty Humans" (my fave line from the movie)
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G8Ralphaxi · #4 07-29-2001, 01:08 PM

I saw it last night, enjoyed it, but not like top ten all time favorite movie or anything.

Those of you that saw it, did you catch that ***Charlton Heston*** had a role? He played Thade's father. They even had him repeat his line from the end of the original movie "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!" - you know, when he was on his knees yelling at the Statue of Liberty.

My boyfriend and I thought it was a little ironic that the NRA's head cheerleader played a role that was warning about the dangers of guns.

G8Ralphaxi

Regina · #5 07-29-2001, 04:02 PM

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it was a little ironic that the NRA's head cheerleader played a role that was warning about the dangers of guns.
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Yeah, definitely pretty funny! I liked the movie but not the last scene. I thought that it was dumb, but of course they had to do a set up for the sequel. I never saw the first movie, but from what I've heard the original ending was better.

Miami1839 · #6 07-29-2001, 07:09 PM

I loved the movie and the end had an interesting twist. I mean you wonder if there is going to be a sequal. Probably so I imagine. You wonder how humans will be portrayed in the second. Maybe not so much as slaves but those that have less rights than the monkeys do? I thought the scene with the monkey girl kissing air force guy was a little much *LOL* Even though it was pretty funny.

Kevin

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LeslieAGD · #7 07-29-2001, 08:00 PM

Does anyone who has seen the movie remember what the plaque in the last scene said?

Miami1839 · #8 07-29-2001, 08:36 PM

Leslie,

I'm not 100% sure what the wording was but if your talking about the writing on Lincoln Memorial I might know. It put apes in the plaque as those who have equal rights. The feeling I got after he read that was humans still have less rights than the apes. Especially when the police apes pulled up. I could be wrong though.

Kevin

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SilverTurtle · #9 07-30-2001, 06:52 AM

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I'm not 100% sure what the wording was but if your talking about the writing on Lincoln Memorial I might know. It put apes in the plaque as those who have equal rights. The feeling I got after he read that was humans still have less rights than the apes. Especially when the police apes pulled up. I could be wrong though.

Kevin

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I don't recall the exact wording, either. But it does name Thade (Tim Roth's evil ape) as being credited with the apes success. I liked the concept of the ending, but I think it could have been a bit better done.

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SSS1365 · #10 07-30-2001, 09:19 AM

I think I'm just dumb, but I didn't understand the ending. Can anyone explain it to me, or was everyone as confused as I was?

I thought the part where the apes got mad at the air force guy for calling them monkeys was kinda funny... especially since my bf and I had just been to the zoo before going to see the movie... so I had just gotten done explaining to him the difference between monkeys and apes.

princessgin · #11 07-30-2001, 10:04 AM

I rented the old movie the night before I watched the new one. It was neat to compare the differences. Even thought the new one had better make-up & stuff... there was something about the first Planet of the Apes that I thought was better. I understand the ending was set up so there could be a sequel, but that was the part I didn't like. It wasn't a good conclusion at all. In fact, it wasn't a conclusion ~ I guess that's why I didn't like it. I still don't see how the Apes got on earth, though if Thade already died?????

SSS1365 · #12 07-30-2001, 10:23 AM

I hope I'm not going to ruin the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it... so don't read the rest if you don't want it to be spoiled!

My bf's theory is that Thade somehow figured out how to go back in time because he was trapped inside the ship, but he wasn't dead. So then he somehow got to Earth and changed everything. I don't know... doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but it's a theory.

LeslieAGD · #13 07-30-2001, 11:50 AM

***Don't read if you haven't seen the movie***

***Last Chance***

I did understand the point of the ending, but even if Thade wasn't dead and managed to get the spacecraft (which was broken and had no fuel in it) back to earth, wouldn't he have ended up in the year that Leo (Mark) left, and not a century before that???

LeslieAGD · #14 07-30-2001, 04:31 PM

***Don't read if you haven't seen the movie***

***Last Chance to stop***

Okay, for all of you still with me, here are two different interpretations of the ending mentioned on the Movies.com website...

1) here's where the logic breaks down. ok clearly the two planets are not the same, i have heard that they were both earth, not quite sure how earth would have obtained an extra moon and completely changed orbit in only a few thousand years, but hey that's been said. nope. they are different planets. so when wahlberg started the one reality by bringing the oberon to the planet and starting that evolutionary change in 2600 on planet A how could he have done the same on earth 500 years earlier? this is what i'm saying. he deviated from one path and started this new reality of apes on this planet. so he goes back in time 500 years to a different planet earth therefore everything from the original timeline couldn't exist. no ari, no thade nobody. can someone please tell me without jumping through hoops of flame how it is possible that this works out?

2) The ending makes complete since when you think about it. In 2029 Mark (was with his crew. He hit the electical storm and shot 400 years into the future (around 2400) and landed on Earth. When the larger ship hit the electrical storm they shot thousands of years into the past and landed on Earth. They introduced the genetically engineered monkeys to the planet Earth. After thousands of years the genertically engineered monkeys evolved into the intelligent apes. Mark is on Earth in 2400 after the apes had evolved and taken over the planet. That is why the ship is there but its relics are thousands of years old. Remember when the ape played by Heston said the humans once ruled the planet? Anyway, so when Mark leaves the planet and hits the electical field he is transported back to 2029. He lands on planet Earth, but planet Earth has changed because the main ship went back in time and introduced the planet to advanced apes thousands of years earlier. The ape on the Lincoln Memorial was obviously a relative of the leader of the ape army. Remember, Heston said his family had ruled for a long time.

It all makes sense when you think about it, and it is a very clever twist on the original story. They HAD to keep the Earth tie-in, it was what made the movie great 30 years ago. The amazing thing is that Burton has us all thinking it wasn't Earth...that is genius.

Personally, I agree with the first explanation but hey, I think we'll have to wait for the sequel.

SilverTurtle · #15 07-30-2001, 04:56 PM

Leslie, etc...

I agree with the 2cnd theory MOSTLY. Except I don't think he necessarily went to Earth... just another planet. (Remember the 2 moons?). Could have been either, though.

Also, I thought that the date display in his pod read 2149 or something... meaning he went further into time. And is still one the 1st planet (whether it's Earth or the other planet). Throughout the movie, the apes aren't really all that technologically advanced. Charleton Heston's character even mentions the humans power to invent. In that last scene, they (apes) have built monuments, have cars & cameras, etc. They are about equivocolly advanced to us humans today. So it's like he just skipped ahead a thousand years and everything went back to the apes being in control.

Just my theory

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