Kucinich drops presidential bid

[Benzgirl]

I gotta admit, I love this guy.

http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindeale...ential_bi.html

[AlethiaSi]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

I gotta admit, I love this guy.

http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindeale...ential_bi.html

you know, I worked a fund raiser for Kucinich and met him, he was pretty cool, he talked for a long time, so I tuned him out after awhile... I like what he stood for, but he didn't have much of a chance

[Tom Earp]

Won't be missed.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Won't be missed.

Yes, he will.

[EE-BO]

I liked Dennis a lot. I also liked Bob Graham, the Senator from Florida, who was an early dropout in the 2004 election who spoke with incredible intelligence and could get a laugh out of any audience.

Why can't guys like this get more traction early on? Is is just a money issue? Do they suffer for speaking in intelligent terms versus making big promises?

Both these men are better public speakers than anyone in the last 2 election cycles except for Hillary herself who is as good as it gets.

[DeltAlum]

My sister-in-law and brother-in-law have been friends of his for many years, but didn't have much good to say about him as a politician and office holder.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

I liked Dennis a lot. I also liked Bob Graham, the Senator from Florida, who was an early dropout in the 2004 election who spoke with incredible intelligence and could get a laugh out of any audience.

Why can't guys like this get more traction early on? Is is just a money issue? Do they suffer for speaking in intelligent terms versus making big promises?

Both these men are better public speakers than anyone in the last 2 election cycles except for Hillary herself who is as good as it gets.

It's money as well as name recognition. You don't get the money if no one knows or cares who you are, or if there are multiple people seen as "more viable" than you are.

Viable is a word that's annoying me these days.

And come on now, Barack is a waaaaay better public speaker than Hillary, even if you feel he lacks substance, he's got the charisma and the inspiration.

[EE-BO]

Could be a matter of personal taste. I like Hillary because she is hard and ruthless and will attack like a rottweiler in heat. That is my debate style, and so I respect her for being so good at it.

Obama is quite good too- more Reagan or Kennedy-like than Hillary, and actually a bit like her husband. It is a great skill, but I wish he had more edge to him.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Could be a matter of personal taste. I like Hillary because she is hard and ruthless and will attack like a rottweiler in heat. That is my debate style, and so I respect her for being so good at it.

Obama is quite good too- more Reagan or Kennedy-like than Hillary, and actually a bit like her husband. It is a great skill, but I wish he had more edge to him.

Fair enough,

I have to admit, I'm frustrated enough with the way the Clintons are running this campaign (and oh does it frustrate me that Hillary has to let her husband play bad cop while she tears up... Bullshit. You're making feminists everywhere die a little inside. Same to those of you that vote for her because you get Bill. ) that I really don't know what will happen to my vote if she's nominated. I'm that distrusting of the both of them. And I used to have a fairly positive image of Bill Clinton as president.

[scbelle]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Fair enough,

I have to admit, I'm frustrated enough with the way the Clintons are running this campaign (and oh does it frustrate me that Hillary has to let her husband play bad cop while she tears up... Bullshit. You're making feminists everywhere die a little inside. Same to those of you that vote for her because you get Bill. ) that I really don't know what will happen to my vote if she's nominated. I'm that distrusting of the both of them. And I used to have a fairly positive image of Bill Clinton as president.

ME TOO! I used to love Bill, but he is driving me crazy with this campaign. In my home state of SC, I believe him to be deliberately dividing the vote tomorrow along racial lines, just so they can further paint Obama as the "black candidate." Bill, I don't care how you dance or suck a neckbone, I don't think you're a brother any more... that's dirty politics. And it will come and bite you in the butt later.

Furthermore, do we really want to go back to the Clinton days? I'll admit the economy was pretty good (except for the work on the balanced budget, that really has nothing to do with the president). But the air in America was sooo contentious. Once the Republicans gained control of Congress, the government locked up. Don't you remember the few days back in (I can't remember the year) when Clinton shut the government down? And then there was the whole Ken Starr thing, and the "vast, right-wing conspiracy"... with that going on for eight years, and then eight years of Bush, I just really think the country needs a breath of fresh air, fresh ideas, and a spirit of cooperation that we can use to get stuff done together. Maybe I'm still in my idealistic phase, but to me, Clinton doesn't offer that. She's more of the same, broken, dirty politics that drive me bananas.

To get back on topic of the thread, I didn't hear if Kucinich was endorsing another candidate???

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Won't be missed.

Neither will your drunk ass.

[KSig RC]

I would totally have sex with Kucinich's wife.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I would totally have sex with Kucinich's wife.

With the obvious exception of Edwards' screeching banshee of a wife, the candidates for First Lady are all pretty hot this time around.

Maybe we should settle the election with a swimsuit competition. Couldn't be any more superficial than the rhetoric going around right now in the debates.

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I have to admit, I'm frustrated enough with the way the Clintons are running this campaign (and oh does it frustrate me that Hillary has to let her husband play bad cop while she tears up... Bullshit. You're making feminists everywhere die a little inside.

Good point- and a big one I think that will have a huge impact on the election.

I am very conservative in my politics- but just dislike conservatives getting into personal and moral issues which is even worse than liberals using the government like an ATM machine (which Bush himself has proven quite adept at during his tenure.)

So given all the excess talk of religion and "family values" in the Republican Primary, I was just about ready to be okay with Hillary in the White House.

And then came the speech where she accused Obama and "others" of a deliberate smear campaign against her.

In that moment I remembered all the months of whining 10 years ago about the "vast right wing conspiracy" and I thought to myself- am I really ready to hear this for the next 4 or 8 years every time she doesn't get her way?

I can't possibly be the only person who thought that.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Good point- and a big one I think that will have a huge impact on the election.

I am very conservative in my politics- but just dislike conservatives getting into personal and moral issues which is even worse than liberals using the government like an ATM machine (which Bush himself has proven quite adept at during his tenure.)

Libertarian for the win? And I think the "Republicans save money, Democrats spend it" paradigm has been smashed. If anything it should be GOP spends it elsewhere and Dems spend it here.. or something. We all know they're going to spend spend spend.

So given all the excess talk of religion and "family values" in the Republican Primary, I was just about ready to be okay with Hillary in the White House.
And then came the speech where she accused Obama and "others" of a deliberate smear campaign against her.

Every other news article seems to be "Clintons say this about Obama" "Obama defends self" "Obama "fires back" at Clintons" "Clintons subtly hint at Obama's blackness, or some other matter while claiming to defend self."

And not once have I, while trying to seriously look at it objectively, seen Obama actually attack/smear Clinton. He goes out of his way to avoid the stupid media questions like "Is Bill Clinton the 1st black president" and while he makes pointed comments they aren't "trick questions" comparative to "when did you stop beating your wife." Of course, the Clintons just apologized for playing too rough, just as Obama's numbers among whites in SC go downhill. Gee, wonder who polarized this race first... oh well, I ramble on...

In that moment I remembered all the months of whining 10 years ago about the "vast right wing conspiracy" and I thought to myself- am I really ready to hear this for the next 4 or 8 years every time she doesn't get her way?

I can't possibly be the only person who thought that.

Hell, it'd start after the nomination imo. Sigh, I don't know who the Republicans could run that would be better... i'll have to wait and see.

Oh and my favorite Clinton-Obama "not fighting" comment recently was a compliment to "someone" by Clinton who applauded this man's success and said he didn't "leapfrog" but worked hard to get where he was. Suggesting that Obama was the leapfrog. Because you know, Clinton has been elected waaaay more times than... wait. Oh well. Is it really 3:49? Crap.