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Old 01-13-2005, 02:33 PM
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Question Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

Why do we hate Black Women so much?
By: Hadji Williams

Somewhere between the 24/7/365 coverage of white women
like Laci Peterson, Martha Stewart, and shows like BET
UN:CUT something dawned on me: We hate black women.

We hate black women so much that when someone kills a
black woman it barely makes the local news, nevermind
the national news. We hate black women so much that
if a black woman goes missing, we never look for them.
(They are called Amber Alerts and Megan's Law and not
Lakeesha Alerts or Shanita's Law for a reason.)

In fact, the only time we ever look for black women is
when we're casting for strippers, babymammas, hoes,
b****es, cockteasing gold-diggers,
magical-negro-enabler-for-their-white-friends,
attitude-filled caricatures. And even then, that
black woman had better not be too dark or too thick or
her big black butt won't be working too much.

We hate black women so much that we refuse to even get
outraged over the fact that 50% of all new AIDS cases
in America are among Black women. We hate black women
so much that when they get pregnant, we blame them, as
if they all made withdrawals from the local sperm
bank. We hate black women so much that we rationalize
slurs like b***h and ho at almost every opportunity.
We hate black women so much that when it comes to
beauty standards, the feminist movements, women's
rights and health, we still subjugate Black Women to
the perspectives and paradigms of White Women and gay
white men (and to an increasing degree Hispanic Women)
Yep, we truly hate black women.

Now when I say we of course I mean White America the
only black women they seem to even acknowledge are:
Oprah, Condoleeza Rice, Queen Latifah, Alicia Keys,
Star Jones, Whoopi Goldberg, Maya Angelou, and Robin
Quivers (Howard Stern's sidekick). But when I say we
I also mean the hip-hop community, Black men and Black
America at large. Whether we like it or not, WE may
well be among the biggest Black Women haters of all.

Just look at our actions: We're the ones who
ignore/defend the misogyny in our own communities.
We're the ones who've been covering up the endless
domestic abuse and the man-sharing/random sex partners
for generations. (I wouldn't be surprised if our
hatred of black women has factored into the AIDS
epidemic. After all, it's just Black Women catching
it, so who cares about increasing treatment and
changing behavior, right?)

We're the ones who accept leaving black women alone to
raise the kids that we helped them create. We're the
ones who defend treating black women like products and
sex objects in the videos and on the street corners of
our communities. We're the ones who defend
interracial relationships as being the product of
black women driving black men to women outside the
community. We're the ones who chase all the standards
of womanhood that the larger society says we should.

I think we accept and defend the misogyny in hip-hop
because, on one level or another, we believe that
black women (at least most of em) deserve it. It's
just understood that when emcees talk about b****es
and hoes, they're talking about Black women as b****es
and hoes. That's why you don't hear much outrage from
mainstream women's groups like N.O.W., Independent
Women's forum, etc. because they know this misogyny
isn't implicitly directed at white women except maybe
if Eminem says it.

And of course he's proven that he's not above calling
black women b****es and n****rs every now and then.
(In fact, looking back, I think the main reason so
many of us forgave Eminem's black b*****s/ni****rs was
because Eminem was only saying what most of us already
think about Black Women.) And we accept the
institution of pimping because it's inherently built
on degrading and commoditizing Black women; and of
course, black women deserve what they get right?

There's so much hatred of black women, not only in
America, but also in countless other countries around
the world. You see it in the double standards for
access to healthcare, representation in government and
businesses, etc. But mostly you see it in the way we
treat Black women and in the way we allow others to
treat and portray Black women. When you put all this
together, the answer is simple:

America, Black America and Hiphop included simply
hates Black Women. And personally, I'm sick and tired
of waiting for white folks to stop it or to solve it.
(As they've proven time and time again, they don't do
anything for black folks unless they can control it or
profit from it, or unless they feel like they don't
have a choice.) Nope, My goal for 2005 and beyond is
to finally get answers to two questions:

(1) When are we as a community going to acknowledge
this hatred?
(2) What are we as individuals and as communities
going to do to stop this hatred?

Hadji Williams is author of the new book, KNOCK THE
HUSTLE: HOW TO SAVE YOUR JOB AND YOUR LIFE FROM
CORPORATE AMERICA, hiphop's first success guide for
business, culture and life. Email him:
author@knockthehustle.com and get free excerpts, order
info, etc. at: www.knockthehustle.com.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let me finish reading but I will be back to discuss this. The first paragraph had me hooked so I had to print it out to read and highlight.


ETA: SORRY did not realize he had the B and N word in his article.
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Old 01-13-2005, 02:36 PM
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Thumbs down It's OUR fault...(rolleyes)

Why? I guess because "we" bring Black Males into the world.

(shrugging shoulders)
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:02 PM
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Why? I'm not really sure. It's not that we are weak because black women I feel are the strongest because of all that we have indured over the years. Maybe it's that we stopped caring about ourselves, and have allowed others to down grade us into video hoes and what not. The words b***h, and hoe and all that have been excepted into the vocabulary when discribing black women, and like AKA2D '91 said black males have played a MAJOR part in it.
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:25 PM
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Reading this article has me feeling some type of way. I highlighted a few passages as I read. Nothing he said is NEW to me but to read it just took me there.

I am still digesting. Once I get my workout on the elliptical machine, I will better be able to respond to his article as well as to the 2 questions raised.
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:52 PM
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Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
We hate black women so much that
if a black woman goes missing, we never look for them.
(They are called Amber Alerts and Megan's Law and not
Lakeesha Alerts or Shanita's Law for a reason.)
I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement. They're called Amber Alerts and Megan's Law for a reason, yes - because the people who pushed for them and got them put into law did so because of Amber Hagerman and Megan Kanka. These were two real little girls, not names picked at random.

I don't like to hear any singer, black or white - and both races do it, and I don't mean just Eminem - refer to women in degrading terms. This isn't just a black issue IMO.
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Old 01-13-2005, 03:58 PM
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Hmmm....

I always pose the question about the way that black women in hip hop are combatting these notions. It seems to me that some of these women are doing much to redefine the picture that hip-hop paints in the black community. Seems to me that we are focusing on the wrong thing. How many more times do we have accentuate the negatives, maybe by focusing on the positives we can help to perpetuate a cycle of positivity. I don't know.

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Old 01-13-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Why do we hate Black Women so much?
By: Hadji Williams

Somewhere between the 24/7/365 coverage of white women
like Laci Peterson...

Totally a side bar, but Laci (Rocha) Peterson was a Latina woman. The past two years just about every reporter and writer has asserted that she was a white woman (I guess because she was "Peterson"), but she is of Mexican heritage. Unfortunately, even Latina Magazine made this mistake.
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Old 01-13-2005, 05:37 PM
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Re: Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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Totally a side bar, but Laci (Rocha) Peterson was a Latina woman. The past two years just about every reporter and writer has asserted that she was a white woman (I guess because she was "Peterson"), but she is of Mexican heritage. Unfortunately, even Latina Magazine made this mistake.

That is interesting.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:05 PM
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I agree with CT4...nothing he said is new info. This topic has been discussed to the Nth degree and it seems to me that nothing is being done. The thing with articles like this is the author is so quick to discuss the issue but will fail to give solutions.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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Totally a side bar, but Laci (Rocha) Peterson was a Latina woman. The past two years just about every reporter and writer has asserted that she was a white woman (I guess because she was "Peterson"), but she is of Mexican heritage. Unfortunately, even Latina Magazine made this mistake.
LA, it always puzzled me that people would refer to Laci Rocha Peterson as white. And I think you're right, that the media was thrown by the Peterson.

Now as for the article, it was interesting but not surprising at all.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:17 PM
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I agree with CT4...nothing he said is new info. This topic has been discussed to the Nth degree and it seems to me that nothing is being done. The thing with articles like this is the author is so quick to discuss the issue but will fail to give solutions.
My sentiments exactly.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:42 PM
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LA, it always puzzled me that people would refer to Laci Rocha Peterson as white. And I think you're right, that the media was thrown by the Peterson.
They also assumed she had an affluent upbringing, when in fact, she was from a blue-collar family. I always thought it convenient that these facts were ignored. But as we all already know, what value would the media see in a story about the murder of a woman of color from a blue-collar background? Happens everday, but doesn't make the news. I think the fact that she was pretty, and the media's choice to "pass" her as white, kept the story alive and well.
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Old 01-13-2005, 06:46 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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They also assumed she had an affluent upbringing, when in fact, she was from a blue-collar family. I always thought it convenient that these facts were ignored. But as we all already know, what value would the media see in a story about the murder of a woman of color from a blue-collar background? Happens everday, but doesn't make the news. I think the fact that she was pretty, and the media's choice to "pass" her as white, kept the story alive and well.
Exactly. If it were Laci Rocha Gonzalez, for instance, I don't believe there would be as much outrage.
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Old 01-13-2005, 08:11 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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They also assumed she had an affluent upbringing, when in fact, she was from a blue-collar family. I always thought it convenient that these facts were ignored. But as we all already know, what value would the media see in a story about the murder of a woman of color from a blue-collar background? Happens everday, but doesn't make the news. I think the fact that she was pretty, and the media's choice to "pass" her as white, kept the story alive and well.
Very good points. I always thought she looked Latina from the pics they showed of her.


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I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement. They're called Amber Alerts and Megan's Law for a reason, yes - because the people who pushed for them and got them put into law did so because of Amber Hagerman and Megan Kanka. These were two real little girls, not names picked at random.

I don't like to hear any singer, black or white - and both races do it, and I don't mean just Eminem - refer to women in degrading terms. This isn't just a black issue IMO.
I understand re: Amber Alerts and Megan's Law. However, there are Black kids taken all the time and A LOT of times, there is NO mention in the media. There was a Black woman missing in Spartanburg (up the street from me) for MONTHS and I did not hear anything about it until Tom Joyner reported it almost 2 months after she was missing. Black people are the INVISIBLE PEOPLE in the media, by and large, unless it relates to the negative side.

Re: Music and the disparaging slurs, when it happens to a white woman, there is a large outcry and protests and the whole nine. Black women however dance to it, sing to it, but we never mobilize to challenge those lyrics. When we do, we are told that not all Black women are THOSE WORDS, etc. etc.

Hadji asked:
(1) When are we as a community going to acknowledge
this hatred?
I acknowledge it all the time. As a community, the acknowledgement is there but the ACTION is NOT.


(2) What are we as individuals and as communities
going to do to stop this hatred?
The cessation of hatred would require a lot of change . More than what most folks are willing to undertake. Change needs to begin at home first.
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Old 01-14-2005, 12:14 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why Do We HATE Black Women So Much

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I understand re: Amber Alerts and Megan's Law. However, there are Black kids taken all the time and A LOT of times, there is NO mention in the media. There was a Black woman missing in Spartanburg (up the street from me) for MONTHS and I did not hear anything about it until Tom Joyner reported it almost 2 months after she was missing. Black people are the INVISIBLE PEOPLE in the media, by and large, unless it relates to the negative side. [/i]
I agree, and understand...it's like my dear friend who got killed in a car wreck barely rated a mention in the newspaper, but the judge's daughter who was a pretty and popular cheerleader got a color pic on the front page and streets renamed after her.

I'm not trying to take away from the Black slant on the issue, but I definitely understand the "invisible people" factor.
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