NPC Question

winneythepooh7 · #1 10-12-2004, 11:47 PM

I attended my first meeting tonight at Pace as an Advisor. The following question came up and I am opening it up to all of you for your input:

There is no NPC currently at Pace. There are 2 Panhell groups, DPhiE and PhiSig. There are like 7 local organizations. Apparently, the new greek advisor at Pace is encouraging all the locals to become national organizations, like, by next semester. Can this even happen? I thought it was a process for any organization that took quite some time for a chartering to take place. The concern is that the locals are larger than the nationals at this point and could cause problems with quotas for the current nationals. Also I am not too clear on this but apparently Pace doesn't even recognize DPhiE and PhiSig in their Greek council "officially" from what some of the girls were saying because their numbers are smaller then the locals. The big problem right now too is our girls are being given a bunch of different messages by a bunch of different people (ie. the Greek advisor at Pace, PhiSig's advisor, someone from our org, etc.). Please advise

PenguinTrax · #2 10-12-2004, 11:56 PM

[butting in on your forum]

According to NPC regs, when there are at least two NPC groups on a campus they are required to form an official Panhellenic Council (CPH) and affiliate with NPC and will be assigned an NPC Advisor.

The existing NPC groups would work with the NPC and the campus to expand the scope of the current groups to become national organizations.

There is no way in heck that you can take 7 local groups and get them absorbed into a national in a sememster. It took Valparaiso a couple of years, I believe, to do this and in the end at least 1, possibly 2, of the new colonies failed.

The CPH would first have to inform the NPC that this expansion opportunity is available. The eligible 24 groups would have to determine if they are interested and send packets. The locals would have to determine which groups suit them and vice versa. There would need to be a lot of presentations, meetings, etc. I would think that the earliest an absorption/colonization could take place might be winter 2005 or possibly spring 2006.

As far as who your girls should listen too - the Phi Sig and DPhiE chapter advisors and NPC delegates need to get together and hash things out with the Pace Greek Advisor. He/She needs to understand that formation of a CPH is a priority and must happen before any expansion takes place. It sounds like the new GA is clueless on NPC agreements and resolutions.

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33girl · #3 10-13-2004, 12:06 AM

I'm butting in too. DEMAND DEMAND DEMAND that a chapter of Panhel be formed for the 2 nationals. Technically the chapter who has been there the longest should initiate the first contact with NPC, but it sounds like you are both on the same page so it doesn't matter.

Make the Greek advisor understand that a CPH is not an option, it is something that MUST exist if there is more than one NPC group, and if they want the locals to go national, they definitely need to have one.

If the GA is a guy he might be thinking they can do this in a semester, and some fraternities have done that, but they also don't have to go through all the NPC expansion stuff.

WCUgirl · #4 10-13-2004, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
If the GA is a guy he might be thinking they can do this in a semester, and some fraternities have done that, but they also don't have to go through all the NPC expansion stuff.

Boys just don't get it. It's 'cause they're stupid.

winneythepooh7 · #5 10-13-2004, 12:16 AM

Thanks, I thought so. I kinda get the idea that something coming down from the office of Greek life is amiss. Since this is the first time I have ever been an Advisor I am really going to cherish the support of the GC'ers on stuff that comes up, such as this. I joined my org as a Junior and really wasn't as exposed to all of this stuff as much as I wish I had been. Thanks for the advice ladies

PenguinTrax · #6 10-13-2004, 09:39 AM

Winney -
Contact your NPC Delegate immediately to get some assistance with this:

Stacy Witenstein
ugastacy@att.net

And tell your Phi Sig counterpart to contact her delegate, too:

Josette George Kaufman
JMGGA@aol.com

Good luck!

shadokat · #7 10-13-2004, 09:43 AM

Allison--

You should also contact Hallie Wallace at our HQs with these issues, along with the regional team in place, the District Officer, and the Director of Chapter Management. They will all be helpful in resolving these types of issues.

Heather

OleMissGlitter · #8 10-13-2004, 10:10 AM

Hi,
I was just looking at the Pace website and they do not even ya'll listed in the Sorority/Fraternity section. I would call the school webmaster and get that changed. Also, is there really a local there called HWT? Very interesting...

AEPhiSierra · #9 10-13-2004, 02:42 PM

OleMissGlitter you were probably looking at the chapters on the NYC campus, Winniethepooh7 is talking about the pleasantville campus.

I think the nationals would definitely benefit at Pace if the local chapters went national. After looking at the websites it seems that one chapter was claiming to be the largest chapter on campus with 31 people, if that is the case one or two good years of recruitment on the side of current national could change this (I know have seen it on my campus). Plus I think it would help you overcome some of the problems that may have caused your chapter to be smaller. Everyones dues would be on par and girls would be forced to really visit all the chapters, giving your chapter more of chance. And not to bash locals, but unless your campus is different, locals in NY have a bad reputation for hazing. One bad incident could damage PR for all the Greeks on campus.

It seems like this is something Pace really wants. Their website says local chapters are no longer welcome to charter on campus and if a local loses its charter they cannot come back. If the locals need any convincing I think that would be it right there. Plus if the current national chapters offer their NPC expertise in helping implement this policy you could develop a much better relationship with the student life office and administration.

You should probably find out other campus where the locals were forced to go national (John Carroll is the only one I can think of but I am sure all the knowledgeable GC'ers can think of others) and have your Greek Advisors get in touch with their Greek Advisor's and see how they implemented the change.

OrigamiTulip · #10 10-13-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
You should probably find out other campus where the locals were forced to go national (John Carroll is the only one I can think of but I am sure all the knowledgeable GC'ers can think of others) and have your Greek Advisors get in touch with their Greek Advisor's and see how they implemented the change.

Valparaiso and Pepperdine have had their systems go national in the last few years.

33girl · #11 10-13-2004, 03:00 PM

Oh OK, I see it now LOL. That was confusing.

It does seem like they want nationals, but it also seems like they don't know anything about NPC expansion procedures. I mean a sorority is not just going to give an interest group their expansion budget before the school even approves the interest group! It's definitely geared to fraternity expansion.

Loras College forced their locals to go national, and as far as I know ASA is now the only recognized GLO there. You need to be sure that the locals are on board with going national, or they'll go underground and that will cause way bigger problems.

winneythepooh7 · #12 10-13-2004, 03:07 PM

Well I contacted our NPC delegate and she is already on it for us. There is a Greek Development Day planned for November 6th at Pace where I am guessing this will be a major part of the discussion.

tunatartare · #13 10-17-2004, 09:09 PM

I think William Patterson in New Jersey also forced all of their locals to go national. Your problem may be convincing the locals that they want to go national and aren't being forced to. You and Phi Sig should do a joint presentation together and speak of the benefits of being in a national. Keep in mind that there are benefits to being in a local, especially if the locals are bigger than the nationals on campus.

AEPhiSierra · #14 11-08-2004, 10:27 AM

*bump*

any updates from Greek development day on Saturday?

winneythepooh7 · #15 11-08-2004, 07:36 PM

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Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
*bump*

any updates from Greek development day on Saturday?

I couldn't make it, but the President at Pace emailed me to say the NPC Advisor came. I haven't spoken with her as of yet, but I take it that things will be changing at this university, and locals will have to go national. What are some good ways to prevent animosity from the locals against the nationals in all of your experiences?