Underground

[Amalia17]

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[AGDee]

I truly hope that they are not misleading these "members" into thinking that they are really members because if they attempt to get involved as alumnae ever, they will be sadly disappointed. I am shocked that other chapters on campus are supporting this.

Dee

[MTSUGURL]

This may be too harsh of an opinion, but I'm stating it anyway. If these chapters are carrying on like this, I can definitely believe there were reasons for closing them down. It seems very disrespectful to your (inter)national organization to continue in this way, even if you believe you are doing it out of love for your org.

[LyonLuv]

A GLO who was kicked off our campus a few years back still initiates members. They wear jerseys and parade around together. Real greek life thinks they're a joke. Sad thing is the undergrounders round up freshmen who don't know any better.
A few members of that certain GLO beat up a freshmen yesterday because he was standing up for two of his femals RAs. It's sick.

I'm curious as to what the genuine Greeks on your campus has to say.

Perhaps someone in PA could kindly invite them onto GC?

[KSUViolet06]

'If you are not recognized by your national, you ARE NOT a chapter. If you aren't legit with your national, you aren't a member. I don't think ANY NPC allows chapters to operate this way.

[AChiOAlumna]

If there is not a charter on the campus recognized by NPC and the national HQ of the organization, then any business conducted as a "club" would not be recognized by HQ.

So any members that "join" or become "initiated" during such membership would not be recognized by HQ as well...this being said, if someone joined "AAA" and transferred to another school which had an "AAA" chapter, they could not affiliate as their initiation was never officially recognized...

[TSteven]

Sigma Chi Fraternity considers this "Ghosting" and a big NO NO.

WHAT IS GHOSTING?

Some highlights from the linked article.

What happens when an active member is ghosted?

The chapter is withholding funds from the General Fraternity (a non-profit organization) that cannot operate without base revenue. This could lead to increased dues internationally.

The ghosted active member(s) is cheated out of appropriate membership status, membership benefits, lifetime membership opportunities, and associations with alumni and alumni chapters.

The chapter is considered to be embezzling from the General Fraternity.

Critical Risk Management Foundation payments are unpaid for ghosted members which leaves the chapter improperly insured and placing the members in jeopardy of policy infringement.

Headquarters stores and reports inaccurate database records.

And this.

What is the consequence of ghosting?

The appropriate officers that approved any and all forms in which a member is omitted will be strictly held accountable. Members found to be ghosting could incur consequences such as expulsion, fines, or suspension of membership.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by Amalia17
I'm curious as to what the genuine Greeks on your campus has to say.

Perhaps someone in PA could kindly invite them onto GC?


Some from my school are on or have least viewed GC. I have known a few who talk about it. Some greeks are very non supportive, yet some are VERY supportive, especially with a particular fraternity who recently dropped the last letter and now are an underground unrecognized local. I obviously do not know how they operate as far as ritual, pledging, etc, but they always have tons of pledges. A point that is brought up is they take PNM's away from the other groups. My school does not have a large greek system. At a school of 7000 or so, average sorority or fraternity is about 30 members. With less than 10 groups altogether (excluding traditionally African American groups because they are completely separate, and I do believe they are still in colony phase) that is not a high percentage of greeks. When I say we do not have a strong greek system I am in no way putting them down. Last spring there were 7 girls who signed up for rush. I don't know how many went through COB. Personally, as a non social greek person watching all of this, I think the undergrounds are taking away PNM's.

It sounds like there are a few different issues going on with respect to "underground".

First issue is the chapter that is a recognized GLO but is not reporting their numbers back to HQ. This group isn't underground per say, just shady and will either get it's charter pulled, kicked off campus, or have a major membership restructure happen.

Second issue is the former chapter that is presenting itself as part of the national organization while it is not. I do not know legally what this may fall under, but it sounds like some sort of product infringement or unfair use of a licensed name and or product. In simple words. A bold face lie and those presenting it may be - should be - legally liable for doing so.

Third issue is the former chapter that no longer is a member of the national organization, has changed it's name, yet may continue many of the rituals etc. of the national group. Not sure what the legal aspects of this may be as well. If a group is acting as a "local", then it does not fall under the rules of the national fraternity. However, if the chapter is using copyrighted material or material that belongs to the national organization etc., (most have to return fraternity material) then I am sure there would be more legal issues involved.

Note: If these organizations are taking more PNMs from the real fraternities and sororities, then there seems to be a bigger issue with the campus as a whole.

[Tom Earp]

Amalia17, I am finding some of this very hard to beleive.

If that many GLOs were kicked off of campus, there would be a lot of info put out about it. Have not seen to much.

I am sure hoosier or exlurker would have picked up on it very quickly.

Vaugeness says a lot about nothing.

[RUASTgrrl]

This happened at my school. Story goes that a fraternity was kicked off campus in the 80s and they formed an "off campus" org. Not using their former GLOs letters though. It was a bit of a problem while I was there with Hazing and all. B/C they weren't recognized as a campus organization they didn't have to follow any of the rules. Also, for some reason, guys wanted to join them, so there were issues with the off campus org taking away PNMs from the GLOs on campus, and basically robbing them of the lifetime ties and friendships that develop from belonging to and org with aims and purposes other than hazing and drinking. The last year I was there, an "off campus" sorority had actually formed. And while it was annoying, they didn't cause any real problems for the GLOs. we did have all sorts of panhel rules about being forbidden to mix with them. Its pretty weird. It wasn't much more than a gang. Now I want to point out that these were not groups that were ever interested in becoming affiliated with the campus as a Local GLO, or with a national GLO.

[33girl]

I searched the SRU Rocket - which goes back to 2002 - and there's nothing about any fraternities getting kicked off campus. As virulently anti-Greek as the Rocket has always been (I should know, it's part of the reason ASA is no longer there) I would think they'd be jumping on the 7 fraternities that have closed in 5 years, or the 14 that have closed in 10 years, or however many it is today.

Angel PhiSig is an advisor to her sorority's chapter at Slippery Rock, hopefully she can drop by and explain the situation from a Greek perspective.

ETA link re Lambda Chi - who have been gone (officially) since 1991. http://www.sru.edu/depts/rocket/news...ewsstory1.html

[kddani]

I'm with Sheila, i'd like to see some proof, otherwise this post is just spreading some vicious rumors and should be locked or deleted.

Again, like other recent posts by this poster, just reeks of sour grapes to me.

ETA: for those who do not know, OP is NOT involved in the greek community at this school, which is a PA state school that many of us Pittsburgh GCers are fairly familiar with

[angelic1]

Right away I thought this sounded odd. I mean I see losing one or two for some reason, but to lose that many in that short of time seems odd unless it was something as far as the university not recognizing Greeks anymore or something. Are you sure that these chapters have closed and aren’t recognized by their nationals anymore. I just don’t see enough details here to believe this.

[madmax]

What did they do to get kicked out?


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Recently at my school we have lost many GLO's, both fraternities and sororities for various reasons.