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Old 03-23-2004, 01:33 AM
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NFL prepares for a 3rd Manning

Not sure where this came from...someone e-mailed it to me. It's a cute article. Kinda long.




Let's do it," says Peyton Manning to his brother Eli.
Eli nods. They approach each other grimly. "OK," says Peyton. "Turn around."
Eli obeys. They stand back to back. "So who's taller?" Peyton asks. Eli stands on his toes. "Now, don't you do that," says Peyton. Eli stops. They settle down. It's 6-5 Peyton by half an inch. No question. "See, I knew I still have you," says the older brother, triumph in his voice. Some things in the pecking order of brothers never change, even if you are Peyton Manning, maybe the best player in the NFL, and Eli Manning, who should be the No. 1 choice in April's draft. Eli may be the better basketball player and may be able to fling a Nerf Vortex football 15 yards farther. ("I destroyed him," says Eli proudly). But he's still younger and smaller. Eli also is the last of the fabulous Manning boys, the final star in the most remarkable family in the history of pro football. We've never seen anything like this: father Archie, second pick in the 1971 draft by the Saints before
embarking on a highly lauded and heroic 15-year career; middle son Peyton, the first choice in the 1998 draft and the reigning league co-MVP; and youngest son Eli, the savior of the Ole Miss football program and second-most popular player in school history behind -- who else? -- his dad.
Every one a quarterback -- all gifted, intelligent and, dare we say in this era of hard edges and bad-boy personas, nice. Their father could be the best-liked person to ever play the game, and his sons are a mixture of politeness and respect that masks a marked determination that characterizes seemingly everything a Manning undertakes. They get it in a way so many of
their peers don't. Think about it. Name another son of a former NFL star who has been as successful as Peyton -- and consider this family could boast two players selected first in the draft. These Mannings are a refreshingly
grand and classy bunch, close and loving and happy, devoid of psychological scars
and blood feuds, strong enough to remain grounded amid ungodly fame and, yes, fortune. "They are the DiMaggios of the NFL," says Ole Miss chancellor Robert Khayat, once a kicker with the Redskins. "It's mind-boggling, almost unfathomable," says former Packers general manager and current Browns consultant Ron Wolf, who scouted Archie at Ole Miss and Peyton at
Tennessee.
"Just consider how hard it is to play quarterback in this league, and youhave two brothers this talented. And Archie -- he was a really terrific player who got stuck on some really bad teams." Now you have the Chargers sitting with the first pick in the draft, struggling to figure out what to do. For a franchise that erred on Ryan Leaf and passed on Michael Vick, it should be a no-brainer. Eli Manning is available. Take him. You don't pass up a Manning. Otherwise, you've learned nothing from history -- and from
the impact one family can have on this game. Comparing the brothers It is Eli's private pro day. NFL personnel men and head coaches gather within the Saints' indoor facility. In many ways, Eli is a clone of Peyton -- nearly the same height, at 222 just eight or so pounds lighter, with strikingly similar mechanics and mannerisms. On this day, his passes are crisp and tight, accurate and consistent. But it is an unnecessary exercise; teams
like the Chargers, Raiders and Giants, all possessing top-five picks, will learn much more in private meetings with Eli and by watching tapes of his development at Ole Miss, particularly last season, when the Rebels, with less-than-elite talent, won 10 games -- and a New Year's Day bowl game for the first time in 34 years -- and Manning became Peyton-like in his effective use of check-offs and audibles. "He's more athletic than
Peyton,"says John Dorsey, the Packers' director of college scouting who watches the workout with coach Mike Sherman. "He has better feet, but he is not as cerebral coming to the line as Peyton. But Eli can make all the throws; his arm is alive; he is smart, and he is a Manning." And something else, too.
"The family is undefeated," says Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi. "He comes from a wonderful family of achievers. Everything they do is excellent. Look what they already have done for college and pro football; they represent everything good about our sport. And their humility in this era is so refreshing." Peyton attends the workout. He's in town for older brother
Cooper's 30th birthday party. The quick-witted Cooper, now a very successful institutional broker in New Orleans, was an Ole Miss receiver with pro potential before a congenital back condition forced him to give up football. The injury hit the family hard, particularly Peyton, who is almost two years younger than his brother and still idolizes him. He was in high school
when Cooper stopped playing; Peyton immediately began wearing his brother's old number, 18, which also was his dad's at Ole Miss. Eli, five years younger than Peyton, also wore the uniform number in high school. All three brothers, who are strikingly similar Huck Finns with varying shades of red
hair, attended Newman, a private high school in New Orleans, and all three played quarterback there (Cooper only briefly); the school is retiring No. 18 this spring as part of a
100th anniversary celebration. Eli is not Peyton. It's an inevitable
comparison, one they understand but don't particularly enjoy. Nor is it fair. If teams are looking for another Peyton, they'll be sorely
disappointed, and not because Eli is incapable of becoming an NFL star. But Peyton has one of the most intriguing personalities in sports. He is consumed with football to the point of obsession and always has been. When he was being recruited in high school, he would study media guides and talk to college coaches about their staffs and returning players. He always is
on, deadly serious, analytical and detailed, so gregarious and focused.
That's not Eli. One family friend, Bo Ball, says it was years before Eli "finished a sentence." Once painfully shy and introverted, Eli dryly blames his brothers. "I could never get a word in," he claims. During his time at Ole Miss, he has emerged and blossomed to a point where he could give a recent speech before a sports gathering in Memphis and, when asked about
his college recruiting, reply: "I had a great visit to Colorado." When the laughter stopped, he quickly added: "Just kidding." But he still keeps his own counsel. He is observant, smart, loose, unassuming, but he doesn't readily share his thoughts -- even with his parents -- and is unwilling to take himself too seriously. David Cutcliffe, who was Peyton's offensive coordinator at Tennessee and Eli's head coach at Ole Miss, knows the brothers better than anyone outside the immediate family. "Here's the
difference," he says. "I would walk into a stadium on a Friday with Peyton, and he would tell me all the great players who had played there. If I tried to talk to Eli about the same thing, he would look at me as if I was crazy."When Eli was young, the only reason he knew the schools in the SEC was because Peyton would hold him down and pound him on the chest until he
could name them all. But Cutcliffe cautions NFL teams not to misread Eli. "He is every bit Peyton when it comes to game preparation," he says. "They both work as hard. They have great minds and a fast-twitch thinking ability that allows them to absorb things very quickly." Eli is passionate, just in a
more quiet way. "I love everything about football," he says. "The games, the practices, the preparation, the smells, everything." Anyway, Eli always has developed more slowly than Peyton. Unfortunately, neither son inherited Archie's rare mobility. "Archie had absolutely great feet," says Wolf.Archie's sons are elusive in the pocket but not particularly quick. Instead,
they are classic drop-back passers at a moment when Vick-like movement is favored. That's one reason the buzz around Eli has not equaled the clamor that surrounded Peyton. Any criticism would nag Peyton. But Eli? "I can't change who I am," he says. Archie's era Imagine how difficult it could have been, growing up in New Orleans with Archie Manning as your father. He
last played with the Saints in 1981, yet he remains by far the city's most revered sports figure. He still lives in the same classic manor home along splendid St. Charles Avenue. Still works in the city, too, in his own marketing and public relations business. He immersed himself in community affairs and befriended seemingly the entire population. He's instantly charming and warm; no one can remember anyone saying one bad thing about him. But when his sons leaped into football and then gravitated immediately
to quarterback, it seemed like a formula for eventual rebellion -- or for offspring so full of themselves to be obnoxious. Maybe because Archie and Olivia, who now have been married 33 years and a couple for 37, feared those possibilities is why none of that occurred. "They gave their children a proper Mississippi upbringing," says Billy Van Devender, who roomed with
Archie at Ole Miss, was his best man and now is a prosperous businessman in that state. "They were taught to respect adults and have the right manners.
All Archie and Olivia wanted was for their kids to be normal. You don't see them flaunting their success. The whole family is warm and generous, a joy to be around." Some of this seems almost too Hollywood to be true. Archie,the All-American quarterback from tiny Drew, Miss., marries a former Ole Miss homecoming queen. They raise three intelligent, energetic, athletic sons, all of whom also excel academically (Peyton, who graduated cum laude
in three years, and Eli, who finished in December, both won NCAA
>>scholarship/academic awards, including an $18,000 postgraduate scholarship by Eli). Archie was fearful of being a Todd Marinovich father, so he never pressured them to play sports or most certainly quarterback. He instructs them only if they ask. But they are smart enough to do just that; he teaches
them proper mechanics, his love of sports. It shows. Cooper would proudly have 3-year-old Peyton demonstrate to friends his five-step drop; Eli would sleep with Nerf baseballs and footballs in his bed, not stuffed animals. But Archie refrained from coaching their youth teams. It has been troubling enough when his sons have been singled out by rival parents who encouraged
their kids "to stop that Manning." He vowed to stay in the background, supportive but quiet. To this day, he still is, even skipping Eli's pro workout. In the most simplistic terms, Peyton is Archie, Eli is Olivia, Cooper is everyone. Cooper is the family star, really; its optimist, its energy, its funny bone. "I'm just as proud of what Cooper has done in business as I am of anything Peyton and Eli has accomplished," says Archie. Cooper also has produced the first grandchild, with another due in April. The family is impressively protective of Cooper's feelings and his role.
Eli understands. When Cooper was at Ole Miss, Eli remembers fondly the time spent in his apartment. So when Eli went there, he was determined to rent the same place. He eventually did. Archie is detailed, determined, organized, living off lists, making only well-researched and analytical decisions. Peyton always has had lists, too; Eli just got himself his first organizer. His sons love to mess with Archie's habits. At Ole Miss, Archie would straighten up Eli's apartment. When he left the room, Eli would create
some clutter, just to see his dad clean that up, too. When Peyton was in college, one of his first roommates was messy. Peyton not only tidied up the room, he made his friend's bed. He thinks it makes perfect sense to map out his life after his dad's. Cooper and Peyton were inseparable; even today, no one laughs harder at Cooper's jokes than Peyton. But Eli was too young to
pal around with them; too young to attend his dad's workouts as they did;too young to remember his dad playing in the pros. He would try to play catch with Peyton, but he dropped too many balls, so Peyton took pillows off the couch and taped them to Eli's arms. He looked like a big marshmallow, but at least he could smother the passes. When Eli was 13, Peyton left for college. Archie was traveling a lot, and Eli and Olivia became best friends. "He's his mama's boy," says Ball, the family friend. Olivia is soft, gentle, quiet, same as Eli, who has the nickname "Easy." Archie calls her "my great equalizer." Their friends credit her with creating the family's solid foundation. "My mom knows how to do everything," says Eli. "My dad is clueless. I don't think he knows how to wash clothes. When I get my first place as a pro, I will have her come out and decorate and organize it." Olivia rarely gets upset over anything, even when she had to watch her sons
play 17 basketball games in one weekend. One day, she let her men eat in the den so they could watch a game. When they left their plates, she erupted. "I think the least you could do is show me some respect by taking your plates to the kitchen," she told them. She walked away, but came back seconds later. "And another thing. I am tired of washing jock straps." Eli and
Peyton have become closer as they have grown older. Last fall, they would talk briefly each weekend about their respective games; every Thursday, they would have lengthy discussions, sometimes about their next opponents.
Earlier this month, just after Peyton signed his record $98 million contract with the Colts, he was in Bradenton, Fla., at the training facility run by IMG agency, which represents both brothers. Eli has been training there for his workouts; Peyton spent four days living in Eli's room. "I don't want to be his coach or mentor," says Peyton, sitting next to the facility's swimming pool. "I just want to be his brother." They watch Peyton's pro workout tape together. It was not very impressive; lots of passes hit the ground. "I'm not as nervous now," says Eli, "seeing how badly he did." Peyton laughs. "It was pretty ugly." Archie and Olivia understand how
special it is that all their boys call them virtually every day, tell them they love them before they hang up and seek their advice. "My wife thinks I talk to my dad too much, but it's hard; he has such an influence on me," says Peyton. Archie has told them the one thing they could do to really hurt their parents "is to not get along. We see families fussing all the time; we
don't want to be like that." There's something else, too. When Archie was at Ole Miss. [In an] interview, Peyton brings up his grandfather and father. "Dad and I haven't talked much
about him losing his father," he volunteers. "He was a lot older than my dad and I sensed he was going to be super close to us and hug us." But the kids aren't perfect,
thank God. Cooper strove to have a good time in high school and not always have his parents know it. Peyton was so intense in high school -- once quitting the basketball team after disagreeing with the coach over playing time -- that his parents had to sternly remind him it is more important to be a great person than a great player. Later, an assistant trainer at Tennessee accused him of mooning her in the training room. Eli was arrested for being drunk in public his freshman year at Ole Miss. "It was the best
thing that happened to him," says his dad. "It taught him he couldn't do stuff like that and not have it reported. It embarrassed him." He had forgotten what his parents had preached for years. Because of Archie and his fame, the public always would be watching. They had to be careful how they
behaved. "It really hasn't been that hard," says Peyton. "We didn't resent being a Manning. We haven't known anything else, but we've never said, 'Thisisn't fair.' We wouldn't have wanted it any other way." Well, almost. "We just wondered why we didn't get our dad's speed," says Eli. But quarterback? "I couldn't play anywhere else," says Eli. "I was tall, skinny and slow.
Same with Peyton." So much of what you see is natural, of course. When Peyton was in second grade, Archie attended a school function in the cafeteria while the kids played outside. A pass soared past the window and disappeared; it was his son, throwing. "Did you see that?" asked another dad
excitedly. Archie just nodded. But he cringes when folks attribute his sons'success to genes. His point is correct; they haven't wasted their gifts. Instead, their admirable work ethic developed their talents into what we see today. It is another Manning commandment: Once you commit to something, you
put everything into the obligation. No halfhearted efforts accepted, thank you. Manning legacy When Peyton was choosing a university, everyone expected him to go to Ole Miss, where his folk-hero dad, now in the College Football Hall of Fame, was so good that someone wrote a song about him that sold
50,000 copies. But the boys always have been encouraged to think independently, and Peyton instead picked Tennessee, angering many Rebels fans. Anyway, it's probably better Eli went to his father's school; he never worried about being the next Archie or, most important, the next Peyton. Nor did he care the school speed limit is 18 mph (his dad's number) or that he
had press conferences in the Archie Manning Room, filled with his dad's college memorabilia. That's just not Eli. "I was nervous and scared when I went to school because I didn't know if I could complete a pass in college," he says. "Forget about trying to be like Peyton." He redshirted his freshman year, barely played the next but started the last three, winding up tying or setting 47 school records and winning the Maxwell Trophy as the nation's
best player (he was third in the Heisman voting, same as his dad in 1970; Peyton finished second his senior season). Peyton and Eli could have jumped to the NFL early, but they chose to complete their eligibility -- that Manning commitment again -- and the decision to play a final yearparticularly benefited Eli, whose accuracy and maturity improved noticeablylast fall. His impact on Ole Miss is almost incomprehensible, extending far beyond football. "More people know about Ole Miss than ever before because of him," says Khayat. "He changed a program that had been inconsistent for 29 years." Dead, in fact, since his dad left. During Eli's tenure, season-ticket sales and merchandise revenue soared, the stadium was expanded and the school now has the SEC's best indoor practice facility. "More than anything, he's given everyone here hope for the future," says athletic director Pete Boone, who was Archie's center in college. This, too, is eerily Hollywood in its feel -- the last of the Mannings, this once-shy,
still-unassuming kid, returns to his father's and mother's roots and revitalizes an entire university. Pressure? What's that? By now, Eli is so accustomed to questions about family legacies and expectations that his answers have become robotic. But he's right. He can only control himself, not how early he'll be taken in the draft or what city he will reside in or how well Peyton plays. For him, being Eli -- being a Manning -- is good enough. And he's right.
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Old 03-23-2004, 09:31 AM
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Archie and Eli are also Sigma Nu's
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Old 03-23-2004, 05:57 PM
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Archie and Eli are also Sigma Nu's
Yes, they are! Sigma Nu is one of the top fraternities on the Ole Miss campus...if not THE top. Trent Lott was also a member of the Ole Miss chapter.
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Old 03-23-2004, 06:04 PM
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It'll be kinda funny if Eli can beat Tom before Peyton can......
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Did Peyton go Sigma Nu too?
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Archie and Eli are also Sigma Nu's
I was about to chime in with that... my BF is a Sigma Nu so of course I know all that stuff.
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Did Peyton go Sigma Nu too?
No Peyton went to Tennesse and didn't go greek. Athletes at UT are not allowed to join fraternities I don't think.
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OK Eli's going to be starting now. What does everyone think? I'm not so sure they should've given Warner the boot so quickly, but I'm anxious to see what Eli does.
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I guess it's easier to replace one guy than replace an entire offensive line.....right?

To me, they're going for broke. Either Eli will blow up and gather the hype Big Ben is getting, or they're giving up on this season and giving him experience.....which I think is dumb because a) he could get hurt b) he's gaining experience.....in losing....
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