Usage question

In one of the AI threads, there was a brief discussion about AOII being the correct typewritten abbreviation for Alpha Omicron Pi.

Yet I see ADPi used all the time.

Any reason for the different grammatical choices?


Note: It's Friday and I'm bored. Bear with me.

[nhpgator]

I think i started the craziness about the II rather than Pi on the AI link - oops

Here is why we use two i's or the symbol for pi that you can find in most word fonts under symbols instead of "P i" - it is just our reasoning

"Alpha," "Omicron," and "Pi" are the Greek letters standing for our motto. Alpha Omicron Pi also has a shortened form of its name by which it is known: AOII. This is written in the form "AOII" using the Greek symbol "II" and not "Pi." To do otherwise would be grammatically incorrect in mixing styles of letters.

we use A because it is the symbol for Alpha not because it is the first letter
O because it is the symbol for Omicron
II because it is the symbol for Pi

i don't think i am explaining this very well - i apologize!!

I think as you said it is just a gramatical choice - i don't know if ADPi has a reasoning or stance on it..... my cousins are adpi's i'll ask?

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by Ginger
In one of the AI threads, there was a brief discussion about AOII being the correct typewritten abbreviation for Alpha Omicron Pi.

Yet I see ADPi used all the time.

Any reason for the different grammatical choices?
Note: It's Friday and I'm bored. Bear with me.

I think it's because A looks like an Alpha exactly and O looks like an Omicron exactly, whereas D does NOT look like a Delta truly...as you know, Delta is a triangle.
So you aren't "mixing" languages and usages with with Alpha Omicron Pi's name, the way that you are with Alpha Delta Pi's name, I guess?

And to nhpgator, I think it was good of you to point out that it is AOII, rather than AOPi. I think if a woman can show that she knows what she is talking about, it is that much more impressive. It mildly bugs me when women talk about "alumni initiation". Well, until NPC groups start initiating men on a widespread basis, can we please use the correct term which is "alumnae initiation"?

Yes, I guess I am nitpicky, but when someone demonstrates to me that they have taken the time to get to "know their stuff", it makes me all the more willing to help and guide them with matters pertaining to AI.

For example, I find that some people say, "I don't understand the alum terminology issue..I find it so confusing"'...sorry, that's just lazy. How hard is it to remember the women usages always have an "a" at the ending or at least NEAR the ending? alumna and alumnae

I don't see an 'a' near the ending of alumnus nor alumni, therefore they are not the "women only" designations.

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[sugar and spice]

I think it's one of those things that people at HQ make up to drive us crazy, honestly. Like Tri Sig isn't ok but Tri Sigma is. Or the fact that Delta Delta Delta HQ HATES it when people use a hyphen in "Tri Delta" or "Tri Delt."

Originally posted by CutiePie2000
I think it's because A looks like an Alpha exactly and O looks like an Omicron exactly, whereas D does NOT look like a Delta truly...as you know, Delta is a triangle.
So you aren't "mixing" languages and usages with with Alpha Omicron Pi's name, the way that you are with Alpha Delta Pi's name, I guess?

Makes sense to me! That's the sort of explanation I was looking for

Thanks!

[AOcutiePi4ever]

yep. plus ive always thought that AOII is more aesthetically pleasing then AOPi. for some reason, AOPi just feels like theres a block between the O and the Pi, where as AOII just flows. Yes i am crazy. haha.

[33girl]

I think that -

AOII are the actual Greek letters.

ADPi are not.

If there was a triangle symbol on the keyboard ADPi would probably use the "II" too.

This is probably why we are encouraged to use Alpha Sigs, Alpha Gams etc instead of ASA or AGD.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally posted by AOcutiePi4ever
yep. plus ive always thought that AOII is more aesthetically pleasing then AOPi.

Yep, and in that same vein, I much prefer the "look" of AOII to AOTT which I have also seen on these boards.... oh well

Originally posted by 33girl
This is probably why we are encouraged to use Alpha Sigs, Alpha Gams etc instead of ASA or AGD.

It's interesting how the letter usage varies from group to group. Delta Gamma really embraces the DG thing as evidenced here:

and here:

[OrigamiTulip]

Originally posted by CutiePie2000
Yep, and in that same vein, I much prefer the "look" of AOII to AOTT which I have also seen on these boards.... oh well

Yes! When I see AOTT, it looks like KD's AOT, and then I get all confused.....

[OleMissGlitter]

Yes at my chapter this year I had to explain to the members that AOII was okay but AOTT was not okay. Also, there was a tee shirt company who was selling shirts to the GLOs on campus. They put AOPi on the front. It was a cute shirt but AOII International does not want us mixing the letters. I had to have the tee shirt company change it to AOII. I also learned from reading the adviser manual for AOII, that AOII likes adivsers to spell it, adviser, with an E and not an O. I don't think any AOII chapter will get fined or anything, just something they like up in Brentwood, TN.

[LionTamer]

We NEVER used "Alpha Sig" - we were ALWAYS "ASAs".

Maybe because there was an Alpha Sigma Phi fraternity at our school who were known as Alpha Sigs.

I don't know if that applies to other chapters or not.

[33girl]

Originally posted by LionTamer
We NEVER used "Alpha Sig" - we were ALWAYS "ASAs".

Maybe because there was an Alpha Sigma Phi fraternity at our school who were known as Alpha Sigs.

I don't know if that applies to other chapters or not.

We tried Alpha Sigs, it worked OK cause AST went by Taus & we didn't have Alpha Sigma Phi. But half the time it was ASAs and ASTs anyway. I know that some of the chapters in the midwest are "Alphas" but I think unless you have been that forever, there's too much danger of getting mixed up w/ the 8 zillion other things that start with Alpha. ETA (after reading Geeky Penguin's post) I am not sure how much Alpha Phi Alpha would like it.

We had girl Phi Sigs (Phi Sigma Sigma) and boy Phi Sigs (Phi Sigma Kappa) and just to make it interesting, a local fraternity named Phi Sigma. There was MUCH fighting over which fraternity was "The Real Phi Sigs."

[texas*princess]

Delta Sigma Pi also has a certain way to abbreviate their name.

The abbreviation is "Deltasig" ( one word, captial D, lowercase s )

We do this because the fraternity Delta Sigma Phi uses Delta Sig ( two words, capital D, capital S)

*edited b/c I don't know how to spell

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by texas*princess
Delta Sigma Pi also has a certain way to abbreviate their name.

The appreciation is "Deltasig" ( one word, captial D, lowercase s )

We do this because the fraternity Delta Sigma Phi uses Delta Sig ( two words, capital D, capital S)

Delta Sigma Pi at this campus calls themselves the Deltas, which I could see causing a hot mess with DST.

[ZTAngel]

So glad to be a ZTA! The greek letters and English letters match up either way.