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Thetagirl218 · #**121** 06-12-2007, 11:57 PM

I am sooooo excited that Jr is going to Hendrick!!!! I mean it makes since, if one wants to win a championship go with the team that wins constantly!!! Of course I am just semi-biased I am a HUGE Hendrick fan!!! lol...

shinerbock · #**122** 06-13-2007, 09:11 AM

I hate the team, but its not because of Rick.

I think it'll be interesting at the very least. I don't like the idea of rooting for Johnson or Gordon (and I mostly still wont), but I'm also tired of hearing people bitch about how Jr. is a driver just existing on his father's coattails (despite that he's like top 5 in wins or something since 2000). It could get old, but for now I think its pretty interesting

PrettyBoy · #**123** 06-13-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

I am sooooo excited that Jr is going to Hendrick!!!! I mean it makes since, if one wants to win a championship go with the team that wins constantly!!! Of course I am just semi-biased I am a HUGE Hendrick fan!!! lol...

I must be losin' it, because this is the 1st I've heard of this. Someone help me out here.

Trey_P-I_47 · #**124** 06-13-2007, 05:43 PM

It was posted last night at 11 PB, I think, since its summer my days have been running together and I cant remember. Anyway Dale Jr has decided to race for Hendrick Motorsports and team up with Gordon (eww) and Johnson (not so bad) and all I can say is that his father probably rolled over in his grave last night.

Like someone mentioned previously I am partially biased to Hendrick Motorsports considering I work at Lowes and have invested a few dollars in that place. So all in all I am glad to see Jr on the side of the winning team (I still strongly dislike Jeff though) this will give him a chance to prove himself on his own.

Another thing I have been hearing today is that Jr should be back in the BUD car around 2009. His mother signed a contract with them and since she has it, Jr cant really use it right now. So expect him to be cruising around in the number 8 Kellogs Car

BuckeyeTriDelta · #**125** 06-13-2007, 11:29 PM

I don't think Sr. rolled in his grave. Hendrick and Sr. go back a ways. While I am not a fan of Gordon or Johnson, I am willing to give this a try. I thought Budweiser was in negations with Jr. since their contract expired at the end of this season..I could be wrong.

Trey_P-I_47 · #**126** 06-13-2007, 11:34 PM

Ehh....I heard his Mother had the contract with Bud (you know for the team), but again that is only hearsay, I have no clue on any factual stuff. I was talking more of Sr rolling over due to him racing with Gordon not so much about Hendrick.

BuckeyeTriDelta · #**127** 06-14-2007, 12:43 AM

Ah...got ya. Sr. and Gordon had business deals and were not that unfriendly to each other. But as a Jr. fan..I totally see where you are coming from. It is just hard to accept the truth....he and Gordon are going to be *gasp* team-mates...

PrettyBoy · #**128** 07-02-2007, 08:40 PM

Anyone have any opinons on Jeff's and Jimmie's penalty? I thought it was a little excessive.

Also I think it was a mistake letting Kyle go. Jr. is a good driver, I just think Kyle has a lot of untapped raw talent. Right now he's very immature and reckless, but I can see the talent and I just think once he matures he will be awesome. Better than Jr. Well, I think he's better than Jr. right now, he's just young that's all. Jr. is way overrated.

BuckeyeTriDelta · #**129** 07-02-2007, 10:15 PM

I think it was fine. Same as Jr.'s.

shinerbock · #**130** 07-02-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy

Anyone have any opinons on Jeff's and Jimmie's penalty? I thouht it was a little excessive.

Also I think it was a mistake letting Kyle go. Jr. is a good driver, I just think Kyle has a lot of untapped raw talent. Right now he's very immature and reckless, but I can see the talent and I just think once he matures he will be awesome. Better than Jr. Well, I think he's better than Jr. right now, he's just young that's all. Jr. is way overrated.

Can't agree at all. Jr. will be phenomenal with top equipment, Kyle will do little with mediocre equipment.

BuckeyeTriDelta · #**131** 07-02-2007, 10:45 PM

If Kyle matures..he seems like a whiny baby to me.

PrettyBoy · #**132** 07-03-2007, 02:11 AM

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Can't agree at all. Jr. will be phenomenal with top equipment, Kyle will do little with mediocre equipment.

Jr. has always had top notch equipment and he still has not won a championship, and with only 17 wins he's way overrated. Now that I think about it, he's winless so far this season. Kyle isn't. With the way Jr. is talked about, you would think he's won more championships and races than Richard Petty. Part of the problem has come from poor management. I don't think anyone racing in NASCAR today would be able to perform well in mediocre equipment, plus I don't think Kyle would be dumb enough to sign with a mediocre team. I think that was a bad decision to let KB go. That kid can drive, he just has some growing up to do.

shinerbock · #**133** 07-03-2007, 09:26 AM

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Jr. has always had top notch equipment and he still has not won a championship, and with only 17 wins he's way overrated. Now that I think about it, he's winless so far this season. Kyle isn't. With the way Jr. is talked about, you would think he's won more championships and races than Richard Petty. Part of the problem has come from poor management. I don't think anyone racing in NASCAR today would be able to perform well in mediocre equipment, plus I don't think Kyle would be dumb enough to sign with a mediocre team. I think that was a bad decision to let KB go. That kid can drive, he just has some growing up to do.

A) he's never had top equipment

B) I think he's (Jr) only behind Stewart, Johnson and Gordon for wins since 2000

C) Hasn't he finished in the top 5 in points a couple times...its not like he hasn't been in contention.

D) Kyle has never done anything outside of Hendrick. Also, recent history has shown there is a big drop off from Hendrick===everyone else.

E) Even people who show open disdain for Jr. (DW) say that on a better team he'd have won a championship, likely multiple championships.

The idea that Kyle is better than Dale Jr. is simply laughable. Kyle is a hothead with serious driving deficiencies who will struggle when given less than top equipment. I think you're way, way off on this.

PrettyBoy · #**134** 07-03-2007, 06:10 PM

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A) he's never had top equipment

B) I think he's (Jr) only behind Stewart, Johnson and Gordon for wins since 2000

C) Hasn't he finished in the top 5 in points a couple times...its not like he hasn't been in contention.

D) Kyle has never done anything outside of Hendrick. Also, recent history has shown there is a big drop off from Hendrick===everyone else.

E) Even people who show open disdain for Jr. (DW) say that on a better team he'd have won a championship, likely multiple championships.

The idea that Kyle is better than Dale Jr. is simply laughable. Kyle is a hothead with serious driving deficiencies who will struggle when given less than top equipment. I think you're way, way off on this.

I didn't say he was better than Jr. right now. Jr. has more experience therefore he's able to make better track decisions. Yes, Jr. is behind Gordon, Johnson, and Stewart for wins, but way behind without a championship. He finished in the top 5 in 2003 and 2004. I know it's early in KB's career but he made the chase last year and I really think he'll do it this year too. He's the youngest driver in NASCAR history to win a race. Fireball Roberts held that record until KB beat it at age 20. He's also the 1st driver to win in the COT. He's not better than Jr. as a driver right now, it's still early in his career. Give it a couple more years and watch him shine. I watched JG's 1st race at Atlanta in 1992. He qualified 21st and finished 31st after he crashed. He completed I think 164 laps and I knew at that point he was my driver. I had Big E fans saying that I was nuts and that Gordon sucks because he kept crashing. I told them he would be better than Big E and I got lauhged at. Well, 4 championships later he's the most dominant driver today and he will finish 3rd in the most wins only to Richard Petty with 200 and David Pearson with 105. KB's driving style reminds me of a young Gordon. The only difference, is Gordon had Big E as a mentor, KB has Gordon, so Gordon matured a little faster. KB is always running up front. His problem is he likes to race the 1st 10 laps like they're the last 10 laps. If he can get pass that, he'll be awsome.

Jr. never had top equipment? Dude what planet are you on? He's only been with DEI. DEI is like the Taj Mahal of NASCAR. The floors in that place are so clean you can eat off of them. DEI is top equipment shiner. Seriously. Jr.'s problem is he has an idiot as a team owner. I agree, like I said in an earlier discussion of ours, Jr. would have won a couple of championships if Big E was still runnin' the show. It's too hard to compare the two, because it's so early in KB's career. I just think it's a mistake to let young talent like that go.

Jr. is way overrated. He's really more like a Rex White. Rex White wasn't that popular even though he won the Grand National championship in 1960 (it wasn't Winston Cup back then) if Jr. had a different last name, there's no way in hell he would be as popular as he is. There are/were so many drivers that blow him away, yet they don't get the publicity they deserve. I can name a few. David Pearson is one. He won the championship in 1966, 68, and 69 with 105 wins. DW won in 81' 82' and 85'. He has 84 wins, 3 championships with 59 poles, something Jr. will never accomplish. Cale Yarborough won 3 championships, and he's the only driver who won it 3 consecutive years. Those are just a few drivers, and I know of many more. Hell, Mark Martin has accomplished more than Jr. Jr. gets more recognition than him too, and he hasn't accomplished any records except for his lap record at Charlotte and his win at Texas making him the only Rookie to win at Texas. I'm not saying he sucks or anyhting, but he doens't deserve no where near as much attention as he's getting. Hell, Gordon gets beer cans thrown at him from Jr. fans when he wins races. What kind of respect is that to a 4 time champion. I've been watching/reading about this sport since I was 6 and I know a good Rookie driver when I see one, and I knew since KB's rookie year in 05' that's he's going to be really good.

He started racing Craftsman trucks when he was 16 and he was running up front too, until NASCAR changed the age rules. He almost won the Busch championship. Jr. won it twice but winning a Busch championship really doesn't mean a driver will be successful in cup cars. Jeff Green won a Busch championship too and he sucks, so it doesn't mean much because cup cars are totally different. But anyway I'm not knocking your point, I just think KB is going to be the one. If I'm wrong you can put it in my face, but until next year, we'll just have to wait and see how well Jr. does. If he performs like he's performing now, then there's no excuses. You're right, KB wouldn't perform well in bad equipment, but neither would Jr. or any other driver so that just doesn't make any sense. Actually I don't even think Jr. does that well in good equipment, but again that's Teresa causing that problem. Again, Kyle won't be stupid enough to sign on to a piss poor team. If he signs on to Joe Gibbs which has been the rumor, he'll be awesome. He'll have Tony as mentor and he's the best driver in the sport. Better than Jeff.

I'm not sure about driver drop offs from team owners. You probably know more about that than I do.

Well anyway, I'll check back in a few days. Have a nice holiday.

AGDee · #**135** 07-03-2007, 08:35 PM

I know nothing about racing but I have to say my piece here. On Father's Day weekend, I camped at Michigan International Speedway with my son's Boy Scout troop. We were being paid to clean the stands after the races and got to keep the cans and bottles (10 cent returnables in Michigan) to turn in for cash. We were earning money toward my son's Scout account to pay for his future camping trips and other stuff that comes up.

It was 90 degrees + that weekend, and humid. I never saw so much concrete with so little shade in my life. When we went to clean the stands, it was totally disgusting. I never saw so many Budweiser cans in my life. And, people used them as ashtrays. People also left peanut shells all over the ground. Try sweeping up peanut shells soaked in spilled beer. Ick. It stunk so bad. So, my plea to you race fans is this: Drink the whole beer and leave us the can without the peanut shells. Throw away your other trash. Oh yeah, and it's almost impossible to sweep up beer soaked earplugs too, so take your earplugs with you, please!

Thanks