Wake Forest Chi Omegas Relinquish their charter - Page 9

adpiucf · #**121** 09-12-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum

Organizations cannot survive by anarchy -- which is what happens if little pieces of the organization are allowed to only selectively follow the rules and guidelines.

Amen!

Fellow Greeks, if you see a problem with the rules in your GLO, you have a right to question those rules and offer solutions within the correct forum--- that is why our groups convene bi-annually for convention so chapters and associations can propose and vote on organization business. As a member, your voice counts, as a chapter or an association, your ideas matter. If you have a genuine concern or a method of doing things that you believe is of greater benefit to the sorority, speak up! But follow the chain of command. You will be respected for your maturity and communication and your voting delegates can collectively decide if these measures should pass.

Senusret I · #**122** 09-12-2003, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by shadokat
I don't take my frustrations out on collegians.

33 was right, i wasn't referring to you.

Munchkin03 · #**123** 09-13-2003, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl

but bashing people over the head with something doesn't make them listen, it makes their head hurt.

This is one of the best lines I've heard in this forum for a while.

Plus, S&S and damasa are saying all the things I agree with. Our "reality," as some of you like to say that we (as collegians and new alumnae) need to get a grip on, is the fact that we are losing numbers. You can see it on a spreadsheet or a press release, but we deal with it in the very real--having to answer questions about hazing, alcohol-free housing, and housing issues (like having a sigother sleep over) that can be avoided all together if someone doesn't join the Greek system. Seeing recruitment numbers decline literally before your eyes can demoralize a chapter like you can't even imagine unless you are a member of the chapter (and not part of the advisory board or housing corps). Like a few others have said, Greek Life has become less attractive to today's collegians...and our unrealistic and antiquated views are likely to blame.

We cannot attract the people who could be our biggest help--the intelligent leaders who have a low tolerance for bullshit and hypocrisy--because they see through the dandy act and would rather live in a big house with all of their friends of the same and opposite sex, having wine with dinner.

xo_kathy · #**124** 09-13-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
I'll state again that it sounds like the guidelines the colonizing sisters had were "fuzzy" to begin with, and that they were given too much leeway as far as continuing local traditions.

Again, just a quick point. None of us know what the actual guidelines were for the original members - except those girls and the Chi O national reps who installed them. Certainly the current ladies, who became a members some 10 years after the fact, don't know for sure. Unless of course it is written and signed somewhere and if it is, I will stand corrected. BUt I hardly think that the terms were so "fuzzy" if the sisters felt the need to do the things behind closed doors. But that's just my opinion...

xoheatherxo · #**125** 09-13-2003, 02:22 PM

xo_kathy--i totally agree with you. noone will ever know the specifics except the chapter and nationals. the rest is all heresay. we can talk all we want about this topic, but noone will ever know what really happened behind those closed doors except the chi omegas from wake forest and the national reps.

HotDamnImAPhiMu · #**126** 09-13-2003, 05:37 PM

good posts, both of you.

justamom · #**127** 09-13-2003, 07:35 PM

Munchin!!!We cannot attract the people who could be our biggest help--the intelligent leaders who have a low tolerance for bullshit and hypocrisy--because they see through the dandy act and would rather live in a big house with all of their friends of the same and opposite sex, having wine with dinner.

I must say, I think your perception of the declining numbers is so, SO correct.

Before everyone jumps to the conclusion that I think this is GOOD, that's not what I want to deliver. I merely think that what Munchin has sited is very real and definitely part of the problem.
Not every "great" PNM fits this description by any means, but I would guess many do. "The middle of the road is wider than you think." Me

LOL! It's the total opposite of those who choose NOT to join because they think everything evolves around drinking and sex. Both factions exist within the PNMs on any campus IMO.

I honestly don't know what the solution is-college seems a little late IMO, we may be looking at societal changes that are a negative influence on organizations that are strictly monitored.

DeltAlum · #**128** 09-13-2003, 08:23 PM

Well, if I'm understanding what you're saying, we've said for a long time in Delt that, at least in terms of alcohol, we're inheriting a lot of problems from kids who are starting to drink in high school, rather than in college and the fraternity.

You might want to take a look at the stats on eighth graders and HS seniors in the 56 Billion dollar problem thread.

On the other hand, we've managed to begin and perpetuate this hard drinking, hard partying image with which we've painted ourselves right into a corner.

Everyone would like to be able to have a glass of wine with dinner, but we've managed to get ourselves to the point that "dry" housing is likely to become absolutely necessary for our survival -- both in terms of liability and university and public relations.

If we had only understood moderation along the line, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

justamom · #**129** 09-13-2003, 08:48 PM

Delt Alum, I know exactly what you are saying. I too have seen the statistics! (What parent WOULDN'T be aware of the situation....don't answer that!) That's why I think college finds people pretty set in their ways. High school experiences are "molding" our children more so than higher eduacation and the experiences that go along with independence. I firmly believe there's a change in the wind-has been for a long time. Maybe we should be addressing the question-"What role will Greek Organizations play in the future?"
There has to be a carrot for most people when they give up a freedom of any kind. Are Greek organizations offering a big enough carrot? If people asked, "What's in it for me?" in the 90's, what will they be asking next? We have to keep the motivation going, the benefits visible or else the sacrifices may appear to exceed the benefits. TO PLAY IT SAFE-IMHO!
It's a two sided sword for sure. And there in lies the dilema.

Buttonz · #**130** 09-13-2003, 11:26 PM

Tom Earp · #**131** 09-14-2003, 02:31 AM

I deffently will drink to that!

Moderation would keep a lot of Problems down. But the Binge or party till drunk seems to be the problem.

It has not become the I will watch over my Brother/Sister but oh, they will be alright?

I to went to college to study and make something of my self. They all of a sudden all of the things become factors that you have no restrictions of Mom / Dad saying NO! You have to learn by experience with no parental leadership.

Amok is a good word isnt it! I am sure we all did or will till the reality sets in, hopefully sooner than later.

1. 1 st year.Overwhelmed.
2. 2nd year, easying into the routne.
3. 3 rd year, well easier, but becoming bored.
4. 4 th year, bored, want to Grad. and get out.

Lifes little cycle.

Damn, if we had gone into college with all of the knowledge that we had when we Grad.

Last report, the college population is up and therefore, the Greek Population is also on the rise!

33girl · #**132** 09-14-2003, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by justamom
There has to be a carrot for most people when they give up a freedom of any kind. Are Greek organizations offering a big enough carrot? If people asked, "What's in it for me?" in the 90's, what will they be asking next? We have to keep the motivation going, the benefits visible or else the sacrifices may appear to exceed the benefits.

JAM, you need to be a national officer.

I think that in response to this, many GLO's are changing their pledge programs from learning history of the group and completing certain things to more of a self-empowering personal growth experience. But is this really what the collegians want? It will be interesting to see.

DeltAlum · #**133** 09-15-2003, 12:28 PM

Anybody know what the current status is?

33girl · #**134** 09-16-2003, 11:12 AM

I looked at the member's LJ that starts this thread and she said nothing conclusive has happened.

Girlene · #**135** 09-29-2003, 06:53 PM

Okay--I know I'm new to this thread, but I checked the Wake Forest newspaper's site and Meghan's journal and can't find the details of the accusations, the details of the ultimatium the chapter was given or Meghan's comments. Can anyone help me here?