Prejudism - Page 9

neicy81 · #**121** 06-19-2002, 02:33 PM

No one is "arguing" over the word racist/racism...

This is a public forum and everyone reserves the right to post when and how the see fit.Folks can't accept dialogue...oh well.

I do acknowledge that my opinions are just that..mine.I don't see anything wrong with challenging someone on theirs. Isn't that what a forum consists of?????????

SigmaChiCard · #**122** 06-19-2002, 02:45 PM

without being with someone as they exerience something, one cannot read a text and say yes or no that is or is not racism unless it is admitted somewhere therein, so to each their own opinion, but don't go around saying no that's not/ yes that is racism unless you where there experiencing it with them....standards are deifferent, views, and as we've extablished, definitions.....all different for all sort of people.

neicy81 · #**123** 06-19-2002, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
without being with someone as they exerience something, one cannot read a text and say yes or no that is or is not racism unless it is admitted somewhere therein, so to each their own opinion, but don't go around saying no that's not/ yes that is racism unless you where there experiencing it with them....standards are deifferent, views, and as we've extablished, definitions.....all different for all sort of people.

In a forum, no one knows what experiences people have been through. That's why they provide DESCRIPTIONS. After that, one can agree or disagree whether or not it constitutes as racism. Don't have to be there to agree or disagree.

Dionysus · #**124** 06-19-2002, 02:51 PM

It's really hot outside, ya know.

Maybe I should get off the 'puter and call my fraternity brothers to go to the pool.....or better yet the lake. Should we kayak? Picnic? Swim? Swim in my clothes? Swim in a swimsuit? Swim in a two-piece? T-back? T-front?

Nekkid? hmm..............

SigmaChiCard · #**125** 06-19-2002, 03:05 PM

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In a forum, no one knows what experiences people have been through.

exactly my point.

Cloud9 · #**126** 06-19-2002, 08:36 PM

Aight, this is definitely a topic that speaks to me, so I must respond. First, I happen to be white. Second, I have to say that i agree with most of the things that neicy81. The truth is, it's so easy to talk about how much things have "improved" for an oppressed culture...when you're on the more privileged side, that is. I realize this more than most white people, because I grew up in a very unusually diverse town. Literally, yes literally I was a minority in that town. It's not really relevant, but if you want to get technical, the biggest racial population was hispanic, then black, then white, asian, and then misc. backrounds. It's crazy because I now go to school in NYC, and even there I look around in my classes and I"m like, "what the hell? where are the minorities???" And I think that living in this type of communitywas one of the most important and positive experiences of my life. It really gave me a taste, JUST a tiny little taste of what all of my friends would face for the rest of their lives. I spent a good deal of my childhood(and to tell the truth, much of my present)hating my culture's legacy, wishing I could somehow go back and change it, wondering why it was still happening, and wanting to be anything, anyone but a white girl. As I said, this still sometimes enters my mind, but I've realized that it doesn't change anything. Yes, I believe that everyone of us caucasians needs to have an awakening in their lives, unfortunately sooner or later we all must pay for the sins of our fathers. But that's not enough. What's really important is to move beyond that towards healing, and for that ALL of us must work together--ALL the races. I can't stand it when people, usually the comfortable whites say, "oh, well you know I LIKE black people(or asian, or arab, etc), but it's just, I feel more comfortable with people like me." Not as often, but still too often, minorities say the same damn thing. Um, nonono. Bad idea. It's very dangerous to just remain with what's familiar, because it makes everything else unfamiliar. And what's unfamiliar for a long time becomes strange. And then what's strange becomes frightening---that's the problem with stupid ass humans, we always fear the unfamiliar. So what happens is you have all these white people who know nothing or just media versions of black people. Then they hear one day that a random black person robs a store, and all of a sudden, that is what we apply to everyone else in that culture. Why do you think things are still not equal? Because white people chill in their comfortable white neighborhoods, never taking the time to go out and face the unfamiliar(which I assure you, is really not scary at all, but rich and rewarding). I always make an effort to surround myself with those who are different from me. I'm telling you people, it's imperative. It's imperative for the oppressed too, because you don't want to one day make the same mistakes that we did. And believe me, it can happen. Whites were "lucky" and happened to invent the violent weapons first, which started the whole mess, but it could have been any culture really, and it still could be one day. I don't necessarily believe that the article in this thread was "reverse racism", but one day reverse predjudice, racism, whatever the hell you want to call it, COULD happen. That would be terrible, and I don't say that because I'm white and don't want to lose my footing on top of the mountain, but because whatever culture should take that role would only be hurting itself and proving that WE as HUMANS cannot learn from our mistakes. This is what I believe, I'm afraid it's not the most coherent thing I've ever written, I"m really just spurting out all of my thoughts as they come, but I really hope that someone understands what I'm trying ot say.

Kevin · #**127** 06-19-2002, 10:20 PM

You just had a very 'Yoda' moment....

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And what's unfamiliar for a long time becomes strange. And then what's strange becomes frightening

frightening leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hatred leads to suffering... the dark side..

(sorry couldn't resist)

RUgreek · #**128** 06-20-2002, 12:06 AM

Well now this is strange. I studied history and I don't recall the definition of reverse racism ever popping up. People, get real, racism is discriminating or being prejudice to another race (notice the word race is in the word racism). There is no argument anyone can make intelligently that black people cannot commit racism. Blackism maybe, but racism is not immune to the african-american community. You may preach your arguments, granted they are interesting, but don't pull any history crap on me, I don't care who lynched who first, they've been committing racism LONG before white men stumbled into Africa.

By the way, who titled this post prejudism? I'm not sure, but I don't think that's a word either, but let's not get technical on everyone.

Well, I'm sorry if certain races feel so damaged that they are entitled to vocab immunity, but it just doesn't work like that. I sure as hell didn't do anything to you, so isn't that in a way being verbally racist towards me? Dwell on that for a while before blaming me for slavery... Later.

RUgreek

neicy81 · #**129** 06-20-2002, 12:24 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RUgreek

I have a quick question. You said :

"[B]People, get real, racism is discriminating or being prejudice to another race (notice the word race is in the word racism). "

and then said:

" I don't care who lynched who first, they've been committing racism LONG before white men stumbled into Africa."

Now looking at your definition of racism, how can blacks commit racism amongst themselves if it is " discriminating or being prejudice to another race "?

Maybe I'm just vocab immune?

Honeykiss1974 · #**130** 06-20-2002, 12:33 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RUgreek
Blackism maybe,

What do you mean by Blackism ???

RUGreek,
I don't recall anyone BLAMING you for racism, slavery, etc. I believe that AA are soo tired of hearing "it wasn't me" but yet they themselves do NOTHING ( to counter-act it, to admit that it exist, to even see the other side of the coin - reference Cloud9's post above, etc).

James · #**131** 06-20-2002, 12:48 AM

I think some people are afraid to post their genuine, and possibly unpopular beliefs, because they fear that people will call for them to be banned or the thread to be locked or deleted.

Not exactly a system that encourages differences of belief or expression.

-James-

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Originally posted by lovelyivy84

I think this ONE time she is trying to keep it real. The internet overflows with internet sites that are virulently racist. You never see that here, and it's a question of is it because people here don't think like that, or is it because they are putting on a front and not expressing their true feelings?

Valid question.

RUgreek · #**132** 06-20-2002, 01:09 AM

neicy81 - you're correct, black people cannot commit racism on black people, but they can commit racism on other races, white, hispanic, chinese, semetic, indian, etc. I never said anything about racism being only towards black people, that was the impression I got from the other posts.

Honeykiss1974 - I was just making a sarcastic remark where racism, since it's root is race, would be against all races, and blackism (my made up -ism) would be direct discrimination towards black people. It wasn't something to look hard into. Sorry for the confusion.

RUgreek

KSig RC · #**133** 06-20-2002, 01:13 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by neicy81

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Originally posted by RUgreek
Now looking at your definition of racism, how can blacks commit racism amongst themselves if it is " discriminating or being prejudice to another race "?

Maybe I'm just vocab immune?

neicy - I'm having a lot of trouble piecing together some of your previous posts, mostly due to coding, but I think I'm getting caught up in the thread . . .

As far as the above, would you argue that two distinctly-developed cultures, separated geographically, historically, and culturally, are the same 'race'?

I believe in RUgreek's example he was referring to two 'tribal' cultures (hypothetical, I realize, but bear with it) warring on some level, and that this could end in something construed as 'racism' on some level. Without the logical 'leap' as above, I cannot follow how you reach your conclusion. I believe much of the African-American race, for example, is based in common roots, experience, and culture - which seems dissimilar to saying that two differing cultures with the same skin color cannot be racist toward each other. There can arise instances where two races share the same skin color, and dissimilar positions of power, authority, control, abuse, and etc.

I'll agree that specific incidents are extremely insignificant compared to the overriding whole of racism as we know it here in the US (ie the Fallacy of Converse Accident), but I don't think you fully see his point. I will definitely agree with LovelyIvy's point, though, and say that until we have the working definitions that each of us are using for racism, much of this discussion goes nowhere fast.

juniorgrrl · #**134** 06-20-2002, 01:49 AM

Okay, so this isn't quite on topic...but the title of the thread is driving me crazy.

Prejudism is NOT a word. Prejudice IS.

*steps off grammar police soapbox*

Kevin · #**135** 06-20-2002, 02:43 AM

Neicy, if blacks cannot be racist, what would you call Rev Farrakahn?