Osama Bin Laden Dead - Page 9

DrPhil · #**121** 05-02-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Oh, my. This is truly unfortunate.

HAHAHA.

als463 · #**122** 05-02-2011, 12:40 PM

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From some of the people who disliked GWB, anyone and anything other than GWB. Chia pets, Chuck Norris, whatever else.

I completely understand where als463 is coming from. She's a military hero (

). She's giving credit where it is literally due in terms of the source that literally acted. But, as you all have said, before that action comes the literal permission from the President. The military cannot (should not) act without that.

I disagree with AlphaFrog (I think it was AlphaFrog) that this was a common sense move and Forest Gump would have done the same thing. First of all, common sense is a subjective concept and there is knowledge and power required to make such decisions. This decision could have been made and it could have ended horribly and then people wouldn't have been celebrating or looking for who to credit. They'd be looking for who to blame. Honestly, and God forbid, it could still end horribly and then I wonder how the assessment of "common sense" will play then; and who would be blamed if something were to happen after people's celebrations ended.

As with many occupations and tasks in life, everyone has the answer and knows what the hell to do. Until they are in the position to do it and have the weight resting upon them. You really see whether people's actions speak louder than their words.

Thank you for understanding what I am trying to say. Also, thanks for calling me a hero...lol-I'm far from that, I think. No, in all seriousness, I feel like this victory is somewhat being taken away from our men and women in uniform because many of Obama's supporters (not all-I don't want to generalize) are looking at those of us who didn't vote for him and saying, "See...See what happened? See, it's because of Obama that the world is a safer place. Bush did nothing for us but, Obama rocks!" It went from being, "Yay-we are Americans who care about our freedom and safety" to "Look at what Obama did."

That's what annoys me. I realize we can all agree to disagree. That's great. Just don't lose the message that freedom isn't free and many people who came before the Navy Seals that killed Osama Bin Laden and those who will go after, are the reason we can rally in the streets over the death of a terrorist. I have nothing but respect for my military brothers and sisters. I also respect (but, maybe don't care for) our President. Let's remember that this is about unity and being proud of America.

als463 · #**123** 05-02-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Oh, my. This is truly unfortunate.

Sorry, I was mad.

DrPhil · #**124** 05-02-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

Sorry, I was mad.

Yeah and that anger was more about how you feel about military service and not what rhoyaltempest said. Breathe.

agzg · #**125** 05-02-2011, 12:44 PM

Please also keep in mind that the Navy Seals would not have been able to pull the mission off (actually, they never would have gone on it to start) had it not been for good actionable intelligence from the civilian and military intelligence agencies.

DeltaBetaBaby · #**126** 05-02-2011, 12:45 PM

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I haven't seen that much. In fact, I've seen some quotes from GWB about finding Bin Laden being put on a back burner around mid-2001.

ETA: Sorry, not 2001, 2002.

But it looks like he said either he wasn't concerned about him or was going to find him - back and forth back and forth. Which is fine, I'm not really concerned about whether GWB really wanted him or not.

I didn't mean to imply that YOU were acting like it was the goal. I'm saying that those who feel unbridled celebration is appropriate lack perspective, as our foreign policy makes it clear that getting OBL is not that important to the continued safety of Americans.

agzg · #**127** 05-02-2011, 12:47 PM

Yeah. I have friends in DC that said the mood in their offices will be "cautious optimism" given the fact that they know they all have huge targets on their backs now (like all Americans overseas, and many major cities in the US are on "high alert.")

DeltaBetaBaby · #**128** 05-02-2011, 12:47 PM

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The terrorist are only interested in destroying our way of life and us with it. The alternative is to capitulate and bow down to their ideology.

Tell me, what exactly would it look like if we "bow down to their ideology"?

DrPhil · #**129** 05-02-2011, 12:49 PM

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I didn't mean to imply that YOU were acting like it was the goal. I'm saying that those who feel unbridled celebration is appropriate lack perspective, as our foreign policy makes it clear that getting OBL is not that important to the continued safety of Americans.

Have you conducted a quick survey or is this simply your interpretation of celebration? Celebration means many things to many people. People celebrate in joy and sadness; in triumph and in hope of things to come.

That's also my response to people who think the celebrations are immoral and embarassing.

knight_shadow · #**130** 05-02-2011, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Yeah. I have friends in DC that said the mood in their offices will be "cautious optimism" given the fact that they know they all have huge targets on their backs now (like all Americans overseas, and many major cities in the US are on "high alert.")

Yep. My sister is in the Air Force and the threat level on her base has risen.

als463 · #**131** 05-02-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Yeah. I have friends in DC that said the mood in their offices will be "cautious optimism" given the fact that they know they all have huge targets on their backs now (like all Americans overseas, and many major cities in the US are on "high alert.")

Isn't that scary to think? I mean, we celebrate today but, wonder what will be tomorrow? As far as recognizing that intelligence agencies helped support this effort, I'm def. aware of this (due to my role in the military). I fear for our troops overseas, especially those in Intelligence positions.

It's great to celebrate this victory but, let's not get too lazy about being vigilant. Who knows what will happen next?

DrPhil · #**132** 05-02-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg

Yeah. I have friends in DC that said the mood in their offices will be "cautious optimism" given the fact that they know they all have huge targets on their backs now (like all Americans overseas, and many major cities in the US are on "high alert.")

You mean...your friends don't assume the "war on terror" is over because Osama is supposedly dead? I thought that's what American celebration implied. Your friends need to get with the program and TSA needs to let us go back to traveling as we did 20 years ago.

DrPhil · #**133** 05-02-2011, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by als463

It's great to celebrate this victory but, let's not get too lazy about being vigilant. Who knows what will happen next?

Will that be the Navy Seals' faults or Obamas? Or both or neither? Agh...this credit and blame thing is tough.

agzg · #**134** 05-02-2011, 12:55 PM

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You mean...your friends don't assume the "war on terror" is over because Osama is supposedly dead? I thought that's what American celebration implied. Your friends need to get with the program and TSA needs to let us go back to traveling as we did 20 years ago.

They have two brain cells to rub together.

As an aside, the Chicago police are "keeping an eye on religious institutions." That better mean they're watching them in order to protect them, but I doubt it. Awesome.

Ghostwriter · #**135** 05-02-2011, 12:57 PM

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Tell me, what exactly would it look like if we "bow down to their ideology"?

Under their ideology, meaning the terrorists, I believe

You would be wearing a burqa.
Women would be under the complete domination of the males in society.
Women would be treated as second class citizens.
We (The US of A) would be under Sharia law and
I would probably be dead and in my grave due to having been beheaded.

That is how it would look although probably not through my eyes.