Weigh In: Legalizing Gay Marriage

[librasoul22]

Originally posted by zeee
Basically, what's bothering me is that the few people here who are against legalizing gay marriage have either simply stated "marriage = man + woman" or have based their argument on religious grouds. That's all well and good, but this is a legal issue.

Even if it offends your sensibilities or religious beliefs, I'd challenge anyone to come up with a sound legal argument against gay marriage. I doubt anyone will be able to do it, but there's my challenge.

GREAT POINT.

I mean the question is not "How moral are gay marraiges?" or "Is homosexuality a sin/abomination in the eyes of the Lord?"

It IS: Should we LEGALIZE gay marraiges?

That being said not one person on this thread has come up with a valid reason as to why gay marraiges should not be LEGAL.

btw, WORD to your last post, lovelyivy.

DZH, I don't think the letters thing is a problem unless you start going off the deep end. You have just as much right to express your opinion as anyone else. As long as you do it in a coherent, respectful fashion, the only thing that can be attributed to your letters is someone who feels passionate about what they are debating.

[DZHBrown]

DZH, I don't think the letters thing is a problem unless you start going off the deep end. You have just as much right to express your opinion as anyone else. As long as you do it in a coherent, respectful fashion, the only thing that can be attributed to your letters is someone who feels passionate about what they are debating

Thanks, LibraSoul, I'm glad someone can see it that way!

[GeekyPenguin]

DZHBrown, I usually take my letters off my sig when I'm posting something questionable - that way it makes it a little harder to figure out what GLO I'm in. I've also seen some threads, particularily political ones, where my sisters and I have differing opinions (cough GPhiBLtColonel cough) and that's okay with me - I don't want to be in a sorority where everybody thinks alike!

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by sigmagrrl
Is this something that should be done? Should we allow gays/lesbians the legal right to marry? Is marriage only something that can occur between a man and a woman?

Let's discuss....

As I recall this was the original question...it does not state what LEGAL reason/logic you can come up with to be for or against it.

Originally posted by Shine

Murder is illegal because it takes away a person's right to live.

So, would be murder is ok as long as the participants are both willing?
- Think of Jack Kevorkian(sp)?

Basically, what's bothering me is that the few people here who are against legalizing gay marriage have either simply stated "marriage = man + woman" or have based their argument on religious grouds. That's all well and good, but this is a legal issue.

What the Word says is all the reason I need.

So quite frankly, I don't need to come up with a LEGAL reason as to why I feel the way I feel. (That's like saying unless the laws agree with me, then my opinion is invalid (which is absurd). )

Sorry folks, but for me my opinion this discussion is DONE! Asking me to go against what God specifically says ain't happening.

[Shine]

Baa.

Baa.

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
"Thou shalt not eat it with a fox.....
Thou shalt not eat it in a box......"

Lovelyivy84, I'm so glad you're on GC.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by DZHBrown

As for people basing their feelings on religion, they have the right to do that. People are entitled to feel the way they do even if their reasoning doesn't hold up in other people's eyes. Just because another person thinks their reasons are stupid, it's not going to change how they feel.

Nobody's saying that people can't feel that gay marriage is against their religion. Nobody's saying that individual churches can't refuse to marry gays and lesbians if they don't want to. What they're saying is that religious justification is not enough reason to keep a law in place in America. Until someone can come up with a legal, nonreligious reason that gay marriages shouldn't take place, it's verging on unconstitutional for them to be illegal. Because there are plenty of people who are not Christians in this country, and to make them live under Christian law was not what this country was founded to do.

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

Asking me to go against what God specifically says ain't happening.

But that's where I think a lot of this debate stems from. There are so many Christians that think legalizing gay marriage means that they are somehow putting their stamp of approval on it. Nobody is asking YOU to go against the word of God! They're asking you to allow other people to live their own lives and make their own decisions. Considering that they're not hurting anyone, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

Why should we make everyone in this country adhere to Christian rules and regulations when many, many of us are not Christians?

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by sugar and spice

But that's where I think a lot of this debate stems from. There are so many Christians that think legalizing gay marriage means that they are somehow putting their stamp of approval on it. Nobody is asking YOU to go against the word of God! They're asking you to allow other people to live their own lives and make their own decisions. Considering that they're not hurting anyone, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do it.

But you are when I am asked to support something that goes totally against what I believe in.

Its no different than someone asking your GLO to support something that totally went against the the goals and purposes of your GLO.

[Sverige]

Originally posted by OUlioness01

Please do not use such terms as "fag" with me. Although I am decidedly a heterosexual I find such terms derogatory and offensive to everyone. That being said i am sure there are more polite terms you could have used.

I didn't mean for it to be derogatory. I'm sorry if it came across that way.


As far as the genetic trait goes, if that were true why does it seem that homosexuality tends to be a trend in some areas of the world? Why do some people try being gay but then go back to being heterosexual? Why are some people bi? Is that another trait as well? How do some people, who are heterosexual, give the vibe that they might be gay? Is it because of body language? Is it because of their fashion wear? Or is it because some people believe in abstinence?

There are some kinky people out there. That said, what do you call a man who lets his wife do him with a strap-on but no one else if he only does sick stuff with his wife? Is he gay? Despite him doing things with his wife only and still having intercourse with her, does that make him Bi? Or is he just twisted? By saying there's a genetic reason behind being gay, would it be safe to say that there are people who have genes in them that make them constantly do things out of the norm, or atleast what society deems as the norm?

[sugar and spice]

Out of curiosity, for those of you who are better educated than me (I've never read the Good Book in full), what justification does the Bible give for saying that homosexuality is wrong? Or is it just one of those Because-I'm-God-and-I-said-so kind of things?

I was told that the reason that homosexuality was wrong was the same reason masturbation was wrong -- it was a sin to "spill your seed" in a place where it couldn't result in children. They wanted families to have as many children as possible (ditto why birth control and, to a point, abortion are not okay within certain branches of Christianity) so that there would be as many Christians as possible to go forth and spread the Word. But is there any truth to this or not? Because if so, it seems like homosexuals would be in the same level of hell as guys who masturbate (something like 98 percent of them) and women who refuse to spend their entire childbearing years pregnant with one child or another (also something like 98 percent of them, lol).

[OUlioness01]

what the hell? i'm getting really sick of reading your arguments, mostly because they make no sense to me. maybe i'm just really inexperienced but i have no clue what you are talking about (and really i think i would prefer to be kept in the dark).

yes, i do believe that genetics plays a huge role in a person's behavior. brain chemicals also have a lot to do with behavior as well. i don't have an explanation for everything. i do not know anyone who is bisexual. i have been speaking from my own personal experience, which has shaped how i think about these particular issues. that is all.

[Sverige]

Originally posted by OUlioness01
what the hell? i'm getting really sick of reading your arguments, mostly because they make no sense to me. maybe i'm just really inexperienced but i have no clue what you are talking about (and really i think i would prefer to be kept in the dark).

Whoa! Calm down girly! I'm not argueing, I'm asking what you believe on certain situations based on a few of your responses. I'm sorry if it's a little deep for you and tend not to make sense, but likewise with me is your argument on homosexuality being a genetic reason for being gay. It's not about being experienced or not. I have no experience, personally, with being gay or bi. I didn't mean to bombard you with questions, but how can you expect someon not to ask for your belief on like situation when you say being gay is a genetic thing?

[OUlioness01]

Originally posted by Sverige


There are some kinky people out there. That said, what do you call a man who lets his wife do him with a strap-on but no one else if he only does sick stuff with his wife? Is he gay? Despite him doing things with his wife only and still having intercourse with her, does that make him Bi? Or is he just twisted?

that is what i was refering to. i have no idea what you were talking about in that particular part of that post, and as i said before i don't really want to know. maybe some of your terminology is weird, and as i said before i am inexperienced (i mean in having sex period...not referring to a type).

I just simply take a person's word when they say they would never have chosen to be homosexually orientated to mean that it was not a concsious choice. likewise, i would never try and tell someone what they could or could not do in their own private bedroom. it's not my business, and who am i to judge. it's just a simple act of fate (if oyu would like that word better than genetics) that made me straight and others gay. that's all there is to it.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Are you kidding?

I was playing off a classic narrow-minded religious invocation to mock the consistent use of "them" to refer to the homosexual population, as it came off a bit odd to me. Comments like "At least they will be in a committed relationship!" sound to me an awful lot like "Gays are promiscuous by nature, and this will combat this", just euphemized.

I thought the "" would emphasize that sarcasm, but apparently not

I got the sarcasm. I just wasn't sure which side of the argument the sarcasm was placed. There's no need to get your knickers in a twist. I just wanted some clarification.

[33girl]

Sugar and spice -

I think the most cited Biblical passage that supposedly condemns homosexuality is in Romans. Paul is the one who said it.