Philadelphia abortion doctor accused of murdering patient, newborns

[knight_shadow]

^^^ Wow.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

^^^ Wow.

In related news, I've introduced a bill that will make eating bread illegal on the basis of murdering the poor wheat and yeast - that is, unless you can prove the yeast and wheat were unharmed in your vicious mastication of their union, and/or that you can prove that their untimely and innocent death was not a direct result of your face-based assault.

Enjoy prison, you panini-eating murderer.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

In related news, I've introduced a bill that will make eating bread illegal on the basis of murdering the poor wheat and yeast - that is, unless you can prove the yeast and wheat were unharmed in your vicious mastication of their union, and/or that you can prove that their untimely and innocent death was not a direct result of your face-based assault.

Enjoy prison, you panini-eating murderer.

I'm pro-plow. Sorry.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I'm pro-plow. Sorry.

It takes a rare man to be openly pro-plow in an abortion thread. Kudos, sir.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

^^^ Wow.

I second that. I had to read it twice to believe it.

[Drolefille]

Mmmmm mastication.

[Drolefille]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1Bh...layer_embedded

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1Bh...layer_embedded

She was amazing.

[Ghostwriter]

"To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." - Margaret Sanger

Sanger, Margaret (1938). Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography. New York: W. W. Norton. p. 217.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

"To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." - Margaret Sanger

Sanger, Margaret (1938). Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography. New York: W. W. Norton. p. 217.

Okay, and your point...?

Everyone concedes that contraception is much, much better than abortion.

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Okay, and your point...?

Everyone concedes that contraception is much, much better than abortion.

Everyone?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

"To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." - Margaret Sanger

Sanger, Margaret (1938). Margaret Sanger, An Autobiography. New York: W. W. Norton. p. 217.

So...the opinion of a non-medical person in 1938 is supposed to be the final word on whether or not an early abortion is "taking a life." Good one.

[SWTXBelle]

Back to the debate on the proper response to what everyone agrees is a horrific situation - namely, medically deficient clinics. Slate ran a very good series detailing the fact that because pro-choicers fight ANY regulation as being an attack on abortion in general clinics like this are not as uncommon as one might hope.

Here's the link to the last entry (because it is essentially a summation; I highly recommend you read all of the entries to get a clear understanding as to how this could - and does - happen. )

http://www.slate.com/id/2286464/

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

So...the opinion of a non-medical person in 1938 is supposed to be the final word on whether or not an early abortion is "taking a life." Good one.

Isn't Ms. Sanger a heroine to the proponents of PP? She is one of the primary reasons that PP is a viable institute even though some of her reasons for promoting contraception were suspect. She was a believer in eugenics and felt that there were some classes of people who were unfit to procreate. She was an advocate of forced sterilization among other methods.

It is interesting that even she was opposed to abortion as she considered it the taking of a life. I believe that many abortion supporters do not believe it is a life and use this belief to justify an abortion or abortions. The crux of the debate is really whether the child in the womb is a human life form and has rights. One has to deny it is a human life in order to take away its right to life.

[Elephant Walk]

What do we think about post-birth abortions? Say, 6 or 7 years

Liane Cartman: [At the Unplanned Parenthood Clinic] I want to have... an abortion.
Nurse Goodly: Oh, well, we can do that. This must be a very difficult time for you, Mrs...
Liane Cartman: Cartman. Yes, it's such a hard decision but I just don't feel like I can raise a child in this screwy world.
Nurse Goodly: Yes, Ms. Cartman, if you don't feel fit to raise a child, an abortion probably is the answer. Do you know the actual time of conception?
Liane Cartman: About 8 years ago.
Nurse Goodly: [thinking] I see... So the fetus is...
Liane Cartman: 8 years old.
Nurse Goodly: Ms. Cartman, 8 years old is a little late to be considering abortion.
Liane Cartman: Really?
Nurse Goodly: Yes, this is what we would refer to as the 40th trimester.
Liane Cartman: But I just don't think I'm a fit mother.
Nurse Goodly: But we prefer to abort babies a little earlier on. In fact, there's a law against abortions after the 2nd trimester.
Liane Cartman: Well, I think you need to keep your laws off of my body!
Nurse Goodly: Hummm... I'm afraid I can't help you, Ms. Cartman. If you want to change the law, you'll have to speak with your congressman.
Liane Cartman: Well, that's exactly what I intend to do! Good day.