UT (Texas) minority in "white" sorority

Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS

Indeed i was
As far as DKD vs. DPO: DPO has more chapters and are more geographically diverse.
DKD is fairly large and pretty well known among Indians at UT, especially since they are dry (no alcohol ever) which appeals to those not looking for that scene.

With that being said,
DeltaIVA: if there is an ulterior motive, I personally know the DKD Gamma(UT) chapter president (total sweetheart), several founding alumnae, and heck chapter members. Oh and in case you are DPO, I know several alumnae with great pull and past national council members there too. Be careful as to how you come across, as i'm sure the organizations wouldn't condone this type of recruitment.

And just in case i'll save a copy of this thread.

No, there is no ulterior motive here. Like I said in my original post, I do not know much about the Indian sororities, I've just heard of them. I'm sure they're all wonderful ladies. I am not a part of either organization, nor any other sorority, and I have no doubt that they wouldn't condone recruiting like this if that were what I was doing.

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

Sorry. I guess I was too blinded by the line about the sorority with the one Indian member not being a "good one."



I think Jess was referring to Delta Kappa Delta, which is a good sized Indian and South Asian sorority at Texas. Which is why I found the part of the post where she says that she doesn't know much about the Indian sororities rather strange given her user name. I pretty much assumed her posting here was a calculated move to steer Indian and other South Asian women away from NPC recruitment and into other options.

Although things have moved in the right direction, Texas' NPC sororities have a long way to go in increasing diversity. As some others mentioned, so much of our recruitment is legacy and hometown/high school/camp driven. The truth of the matter is that many women, no matter their race or any other factors, have virtually no chance of getting into many chapters. It's all about numbers.

No, I definitely wasn't trying to steer anyone away from NPC. That's why I said in my post that I didn't regret rushing and advised the girl who posted the original post of this thread to go ahead and rush if she wants to.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

She said she's a junior now, and she rushed two years ago. I think she was a freshman when she went through recruitment. That being said, she leaves a lot of holes open in her story.

Yes, that's correct-I was a freshman when I went through recruitment. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have as to the open holes in my story.

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

How many Juniors do you know who received bids? Or should I say how many Juniors received bids to a "good" sorority?

None, but I rushed as a freshman. I'm a Junior now.

[OHNOITSJESS]

Originally Posted by DeltaIVA

Alright, let's be fair, I did see one Indian girl in a sorority when I was rushing, but she was in one that wasn't very good.

[33girl]

Oh, I missed that little comment. That clears things up.

I love when people say "I didn't get a bid because of _________" and then say something like that. Assholery is an equal opportunity employer, people.

[GTAlphaPhi]

Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi

Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

Didn't know that! You learn something new about GC regulars everyday.

[OHNOITSJESS]

Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

Oh yaay me too

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS

Oh yaay me too

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

Look at the hidden diversity of GC.

If she is, she's an idiot for crying that she was essentially rejected because of her race. We don't welcome rejects.

Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS

Oh yaay me too

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

Congratulations on pledging Greek! I'm glad some of us are given that opportunity. No, I'm not in a culturally based GLO.

Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi

Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

I completely agree with everything you've just said. In my opinion, if they had kept me around until closer to the end of recruitment, I wouldn't have considered being dropped to be racist. In that case, I would say that of course it would mean more to a girl who's a legacy or has Greek roots to be given a bid than me. I personally feel that my rush experience was racist because I was dropped so early.

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, I missed that little comment. That clears things up.

I love when people say "I didn't get a bid because of _________" and then say something like that. Assholery is an equal opportunity employer, people.

OMFG!!! I almost spit out Diet Mt Dew on my screen over this response! Assholery!

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, I missed that little comment. That clears things up.

I love when people say "I didn't get a bid because of _________" and then say something like that. Assholery is an equal opportunity employer, people.

I'm just being fair. Like I said, neither I nor any other Indian girl I met that I rushed with got in. To be fair though, I worded that very carefully because a. There is always the chance that there is an Indian girl that rushed with me or has rushed since I went through recruitment that got in, although I haven't seen any evidence of it, and b. I did see that one Indian girl in a sorority.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by DeltaIVA

They do not let you in if you're Indian. A
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Just be aware that there's a good chance you won't get in because you're Indian.

Crap, someone may want to tell that to my sorority, Kappa Delta, because we've got some prominent alumnae that are Indian.

Mona Jain:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/alumn...AA/FL/jain.xml

Her daughter Anila Jain is also a KD and is Vice Chairman of our Foundation.

We even have a scholarship named after them:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/conte...dationnews.xml

And crap, I'd better tell the chapter that I advise about the no-Indian rule, because they've initiated a number of them.