Sprite Step-Off Update: ZTA and AKA to share 1st place

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Ok, I would really like to understand this. I am not being sarcastic or facetious. I am genuinely wanting some deeper understanding of the whole thing.

Here are the things I think I have learned from this thread. Correct me if I am wrong...

1. Each d9 group has their own steps... For someone else to do the steps, it would be like an ADPi doing a crown handsign instead of a diamond. (Yes, I am aware that handsigns were not originated by NPC groups...) You just wouldn't do it, b/c it's as clear as night and day that the crown just isn't appropriate for an ADPi to use. Because, everyone just knows the crown is a ZTA thing.
So, by ZTA using the steps they were offensive and unoriginal. Correct?

2. Sprite fucked up the judging.

3. ZTA should have made up their own steps and choreography. So, based on the scoring system, the judges should have recognized the unoriginal steps and ZTA should have been dropped down in placement.

This is pretty much how the thread started off although since then other bigger issues regarding culture and American society have come up and are now being discussed. But yes, although D9 groups make up new moves all the time (to keep things creative and original) some steps each group is known for doing and some have been in their orgs for years, which might be known as "signature" steps within the org; meaning that every chapter (among the stepping chapters) knows these steps in some form although modifications can be found from chapter to chapter. Those in the D9 and followers of stepping, can see a signature step and recognize which group does it right away. We do however do eachother's steps when we are paying tribute and it is obvious (usually a sorority will tribute a fraternity or vice versa).

As for the judges, most agree that the judges should be greek and be very familiar with the stepping tradition and frequent stepshows. In the case of the Sprite Step-Off, celebrities were used, not greeks with a good knowledge of stepping. Also rules were clearly in place and the judges obviously didn't judge correctly in the area of creativity/originality regarding ZTA. The other issues are about the Sprite Step off being promoted as a D9 event, used D9 heavily in their advertising, but yet let others enter the competition which was not clear to some.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Ok, I would really like to understand this. I am not being sarcastic or facetious. I am genuinely wanting some deeper understanding of the whole thing.

Here are the things I think I have learned from this thread. Correct me if I am wrong...

1. Each d9 group has their own steps... For someone else to do the steps, it would be like an ADPi doing a crown handsign instead of a diamond. (Yes, I am aware that handsigns were not originated by NPC groups...) You just wouldn't do it, b/c it's as clear as night and day that the crown just isn't appropriate for an ADPi to use. Because, everyone just knows the crown is a ZTA thing.
So, by ZTA using the steps they were offensive and unoriginal. Correct?

2. Sprite fucked up the judging.

3. ZTA should have made up their own steps and choreography. So, based on the scoring system, the judges should have recognized the unoriginal steps and ZTA should have been dropped down in placement.

This is what I learned also, but it seems like since the judges themselves had no knowledge of these specific steps then they couldn't judge appropriately, hence Sprite f-ing up the judging and allowing ZTA to win. (See? I do actually read the whole thread).

I understand that there were rules set out, but I feel (my opinion here) that they were slightly unclear - the judges would have called ZTA out on their lack of creativity IF they had observed it - BUT they didn't. I think that makes the rules unclear, at least to the judges.

At the end of the day though, ZTA won. Period. If this competition was meant to include only D9 orgs, then they need to change the rules and the judges.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

At the end of the day though, ZTA AND AKA won. Period. If this competition was meant to include only D9 orgs, then they need to change the rules and the judges.

Fixed that for you.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by Prettyface08

Fixed that for you.

Sprite felt the need to "fix" it well after the final competition. That was just dumb.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Sprite felt the need to "fix" it well after the final competition. That was just dumb.

That's true. They should have had a good ole 'step off' between the co-winners and let the most creative team win

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

This is what I learned also, but it seems like since the judges themselves had no knowledge of these specific steps then they couldn't judge appropriately, hence Sprite f-ing up the judging and allowing ZTA to win. (See? I do actually read the whole thread).

I understand that there were rules set out, but I feel (my opinion here) that they were slightly unclear - the judges would have called ZTA out on their lack of creativity IF they had observed it - BUT they didn't. I think that makes the rules unclear, at least to the judges.

That doesn't make the rules unclear, it makes the judges unqualified, hence Sprite effing it up. No that isn't ZTAs fault, but that does account for a "scoring discrepency". In addition, given that ZTA had been stepping for 16 years, I'm sure the chapter (and possibly the girls involved) knew that those were borrowed steps/themes.

[SthrnZeta]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

That doesn't make the rules unclear, it makes the judges unqualified, hence Sprite effing it up. No that isn't ZTAs fault, but that does account for a "scoring discrepency". In addition, given that ZTA had been stepping for 16 years, I'm sure the chapter (and possibly the girls involved) knew that those were borrowed steps/themes.

Then perhaps AKA should have educated the Zetas when they taught them how to step 16 years ago...

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Sprite felt the need to "fix" it well after the final competition. That was just dumb.

Disputing scores is not uncommon at these shows.

Originally Posted by SthrnZeta

Then perhaps AKA should have educated the Zetas when they taught them how to step 16 years ago...

Who's to say they didn't?

[DrPhil]

I don't automatically root for Delta. I'm more critical of my organization than I am of others.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't automatically root for Delta. I'm more critical of my organization than I am of others.

Co-sign.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't automatically root for Delta. I'm more critical of my organization than I am of others.

As am I.

[ladygreek]

Knight Shadow, etal. you are hilarious.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

Knight Shadow, etal. you are hilarious.

[SthrnZeta]

What's K.I.M.?

[DrPhil]

Keep It Moving. Something that Capital Finest likes to announce instead of just not typing anymore.