Initiation Cost?

[Wolfman]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS


Most of these traditions and practices are passed down by the older members. Older members simply disagree with each other on some matters. But, the older members who are more vocal and accessible to the younger members are the ones who influence the new lines. It's like playing "telephone," it's passed down and the end result isn't always how it was intended but people need to acknowledge that this stuff didn't appear out of thin air.

There may be some truth to this but it goes much deeper than this. In my context, there are some real transmogrifications of "traditions" that go agsinst the spirit of fraternity and the things we hold dear, and moreover, made up stuff that is on offer now. This is a real issue where things that have been passed down for generations, not for a few years or for even of those of my generation, are being forgotten or pushed to the side. Like I said traditions are fluid; but what is alarming is that much of what I'm referring to is not positive and leading towards upholding real fraternal and human values. I'm speaking in my context where this is a hotly debated issue, where I do see the arrogance and lack of humility by those who, by virtue of their life and fraternal experience, aren't in a real position to "adjudicate" such matters.It's not so much about ego as about the future of the organization. One such E-mail was sent out recently by a former Grand officer who had a similar concerns.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
*applause*



So because one of your D9 friends questions the validity of what countless other members of Divine Nine organizations have stated here on GC, that makes their points null and void? And because he states, as you quoted, that 'these GD people are nuts', that must be true as well, right?

How do you explain this?

OOPs so now You question a Member of a D 9.

That is intersting to say the least.

Maybe He is smarter than some on Site and not as Rad!

He has been there done it and is still doing It for His Fraternity!

So, you want to belittle Him?

That is so sad and shows a lot!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Wolfman
There may be some truth to this but it goes much deeper than this. In my context, there are some real transmogrifications of "traditions" that go agsinst the spirit of fraternity and the things we hold dear, and moreover, made up stuff that is on offer now. This is a real issue where things that have been passed down for generations, not for a few years or for even of those of my generation, are being forgotten or pushed to the side. Like I said traditions are fluid; but what is alarming is that much of what I'm referring to is not positive and leading towards upholding real fraternal and human values. I'm speaking in my context where this is a hotly debated issue, where I do see the arrogance and lack of humility by those who, by virtue of their life and fraternal experience, aren't in a real position to "adjudicate" such matters.It's not so much about ego as about the future of the organization. One such E-mail was sent out recently by a former Grand officer who had a similar concerns.

I hear ya but:

1) a lot of this comes from older members
and/or
2) older members are conveniently unavailable to teach but available to chastise
or
3) older members turn a blind eye when certain behaviors need to be corrected before they become ingrained in the culture and passed down further

I have seen members who have been in 20 to 40+ years who have encouraged and passed down some negative aspects of particular organizations or are condoning when younger members display them. These same people would appear to be respectable as they sit in alumnae and grad chapter meetings--they even pretend to have strong opinions against certain things that they condone behind closed doors. People know what they do but excuse it by saying "so and so is old school and that's how he/she got down back in the day." It's okay for these people to be this way but younger members catch the heat for (generally) doing what they were taught to do or following the culture that they observed as aspirants.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
OOPs so now You question a Member of a D 9.

That is intersting to say the least.

Maybe He is smarter than some on Site and not as Rad!

He has been there done it and is still doing It for His Fraternity!

So, you want to belittle Him?

That is so sad and shows a lot!

You never said what topic his opinion was on--you just said he had a contrary opinion. Do you agree with every possible contrary opinion that any individual can possibly have?

Maybe he's smarter and maybe he isn't. A lot of us have been there and done that and are still doing it--that's what we're supposed to be doing so no kudos there.

I'm still wondering why you think we should care. It's not about belittling him but belittling you for thinking he's important to mention to us.

[utealum]

Can anyone translate the Earp speak here? What I am reading is that the NPHC folk are saying that they do not give out information on their dues and fees to the general public but do make that information available to potential members before they commit. And Earp is saying that makes them all crazy and their chapters can't function because they are not as rad as his friend?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by utealum
Can anyone translate the Earp speak here? What I am reading is that the NPHC folk are saying that they do not give out information on their dues and fees to the general public but do make that information available to potential members before they commit. And Earp is saying that makes them all crazy and their chapters can't function because they are not as rad as his friend?

You've got the gist of it. (It's a scary day when you begin to decipher Earp-speak!!)

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
So, what is Your idea of wise people?

Is that why that D9s have such small undergraduate Chapters and Big Alum Chapters?

I am just asking a question and have D9 Friends and I do not get the same vibes from them that I get from You and others of D9ers.

Cost has NOTHING to do with chapter size. In fact, since the overwhemling majority of collegiate chapters do NOT have property and a larger number of alumnae chapters DO have property, the cost structure is often opposite of that in NIC/IFC/NPC orgs.

There have been numerous other discussions on GC regarding NPHC chapter size. Some factors for collegiate chapters include campus type (HBCU vs PWI), georaphical region, chapter type (city-wide vs campus based) and chapter status (recently reactivated or not) and intake frequency/line caps. For alumnae chapters, factors include number of alumnae chapters in a geographic area, community type (military, established, new suburb), geographic region, population demographic and socioeconomic levels.

Of course, there are org specifics as well.

[PSKAdvisor]

OK, I'm relatively new in GC and ignorant of acronyms...

HBCU?
PWI?
D9s?

I thought I had it bad when my son started emailing with ROTFLMAO and all that, but I see a lot here.

Maybe we need an acronym sticky? =)

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by PSKAdvisor
OK, I'm relatively new in GC and ignorant of acronyms...



HBCU? - Historically Black College/University

PWI? - Predominantly White Institution (don't even get me started on this, and especially not the WGLO - White GLO )

D9s? Divine 9/NPHC

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by PSKAdvisor
OK, I'm relatively new in GC and ignorant of acronyms...

HBCU?
PWI?
D9s?

Sidenote: These acronyms are also used outside of message boards.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
PWI? - Predominantly White Institution (don't even get me started on this, and especially not the WGLO - White GLO )

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by mccoyred

You can all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that NPCs DO NOT like to be refered to as WGLOs. I don't see what's so hard about typing NPC (or IFC if you're talking males) instead of WGLO.

[Dionysus]

White GLO
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WHITE GLO!!!!!!!

[PSKAdvisor]

Being a Yankee from a public college, I can't imagine the necessity for the reference...

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Dionysus
White GLO
White GLO
White GLO
White GLO
White GLO
White GLO

I know asking you to stop being rude is just too much to ask, so I'll refrain.