Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[Peaches-n-Cream]

I think that she is referred to as the "complaining" woman since she made a complaint. That's how I read it.

[Lady of Pearl]

Having flashbacks of the Anita Hill case, why are Black women's and or White women's allegations somehow not plausible when up against a Man be he Black or White-ie Koby Bryant etc. when will this he said she said- mud slinging cease and why is it so sensationalized in the media-shouldn't we be concerned about Bush and Iraq!

[Rain Man]

The stripper didn't even have sex with the men!

OMG, if this was a game of Hangman, this "victim" would be in the gallows ready to have the floor drop beneath her at this point, which will happen once the DA drops the charges, which IMHO is imminent.

That lying skank is really pissing me awf right about now

DNA Tests Clear Duke Lacrosse Players In Rape Case

POSTED: 5:43 pm EDT April 10, 2006
UPDATED: 8:30 pm EDT April 10, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. -- DNA test results released Monday cleared members of the Duke University men's lacrosse team in an alleged rape of an exotic dancer at a party last month.

A North Carolina Central University student told police that she was performing as an exotic dancer at a March 13 party attended by lacrosse team members when she was pulled into a bathroom, beaten and raped by three men.

Forty-six members of the lacrosse team supplied DNA samples to authorities as part of the investigation, and the State Bureau of Investigation lab released the DNA evidence to the Durham County District Attorney's Office Monday afternoon.

Attorneys representing the players held a press conference to announce the results of the tests, saying they exonerated the players.

Attorneys Wade Smith and Joe Cheshire said the tests showed no DNA from any player was found on the woman, her clothes or her belongings. The medical results showed the woman hadn't even had sex, the attorneys said.

"These results showed exactly what we knew all along," Cheshire said. "No rape or sexual assault happened in that house, and this DNA report shows that loud and clear."

The accuser's father told NBC-17 Monday night that he still believes his daughter, and he discounted the claims of defense attorneys that she was intoxicated the night of the party.

No charges have been filed in the case. District Attorney Mike Nifong declined to comment on the test results, so it's unclear how he plans to proceed with the case.

Smith and defense attorney Robert Ekstrand said they hope Nifong will drop the case, so the players, Duke and Durham can move forward.

"This has been an absolute nightmare for these young men and their families," Ekstrand said.

"We hope that, with the long-awaited test and these results, that Mr. Nifong will announce that he is not going to pursue the case further," he said. "Perhaps, with these results, the community can begin to heal."

The case split the Duke campus and the Durham community in recent weeks.

Several student groups complained that Duke administrators were slow to respond in the case, while others warned against judging the players before the evidence was in.

Some Durham residents noted that Duke students often acted with a sense of entitlement around town, and N.C. Central students rallied in support of the victim, calling the alleged rape a hate crime against a black woman.

"I'm glad that there are no positive matches, and I'm sorry for the lacrosse team, that they had to endure so much," Duke freshman Becky Swerin said after learning of the test results.

"Just because no DNA came up, still there could have been some act committed, or nothing could have happened at all. I really don't know until the charges come back," a Duke senior said.

Duke President Richard Brodhead canceled the season for the nationally ranked lacrosse team last week, saying he was appalled by a lewd e-mail recovered by police during their investigation. Lacrosse coach Mike Pressler also turned in his resignation, and Brodhead announced an extensive review of the university's handling of the episode, including an examination of the lacrosse team's culture.

"None of us are saying there aren't proper social and moral issues that came out of this whole discussion that aren't appropriate for discussion," Cheshire said. "But unfortunately, people have meshed those issues with this sexual assault and tried to make them all the same."

DNA Tests Clear Duke Lacrosse Players In Rape Case

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by ladylike
Uh-huh.

OK, you got me, ladylike. I should have said:

I refrained from posting here sooner because I wanted to give the "victim" enough rope to hang herself with, which by this time tomorrow, barring any bureauratic legal mumbo-jumbo, this chick will be hung.

You don't miss a beat, do you, ladylike

[laylo]

^^showing that you already had your mind made up.

Please keep in mind that, as stated before, DNA evidence of sex and sexual assault is often not there. There have been rape cases in which defendants admitted rape and there was no biological evidence on the body. Bottom line, no one who wasn't there can say who's lying about what.

I pray such a situation never happens to a woman you love, causing her to be called a "lying skank" by those speculating.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
I don't like the way she was referred to as a "complaining woman".

I agree. This is not an open and shut case because the DA himself stated that a rape occurred due to her injuries so it was not made up the question is was it the team or guests of the team at the party and she assumed they were players?

[teena]

Originally posted by laylo
^^showing that you already had your mind made up.

Please keep in mind that, as stated before, DNA evidence of sex and sexual assault is often not there. There have been rape cases in which defendants admitted rape and there was no biological evidence on the body. Bottom line, no one who wasn't there can say who's lying about what.

I pray such a situation never happens to a woman you love, causing her to be called a "lying skank" by those speculating.

Well said.

[Marie]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
I agree. This is not an open and shut case because the DA himself stated that a rape occurred due to her injuries so it was not made up the question is was it the team or guests of the team at the party and she assumed they were players?

This is a good point. Aren't they testing the men against semen found in her body. How can the defense attorneys say no sex act occurred? If not, then what are they comparing the men's DNA to? Also, I would greatly refrain from calling her a complete liar or fraud yet. I don't know what happened, but assuming that a rape was committed (as stated by the DA), then her story still may hold true. All that she originally said was that she was raped and beaten by 3 men at the party. It was our assumption that this was a member of the team b/c it was their party, but this may not necessarily be true. I certainly hope that she was not lying, though, as this is a very serious accusation that should not be tossed out lightly.

On a side note: RM, I thought that you were leaving the message boards alone b/c they were holding you back. What happened?

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by Lady of Pearl
I've only had a little bit of law school one semester LOL but that term "complaining woman" didn't bode too well with me either, as if it doesn't legitamize her allegation somehow. DNA is not conclusive, and can be shown in most criminal cases to be in error, besides I would have had the evidence tested elsewhere in another state-smacks too much of privileged money tampering with the evidence and buying off folks in that town!

My thoughts exactly! They should have sent the evidence out to the Federal lab or another state. Too much possible Alumni involvement.

On another point, how would the victim tell one white guy from another? There could have been other white men present besides the Lacrosse players.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Marie
On a side note: RM, I thought that you were leaving the message boards alone b/c they were holding you back. What happened?

[hijack]I never said anything of the sort. Can you show me the post(s) I made on GreekChat supporting this assertion? Thanks. [/hijack]

On topic: This is gonna be a busy week for the DA and the defense attorneys. Let's watch and see how it develops.

[FeeFee]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06
I don't like the way she was referred to as a "complaining woman".

The proper term they should have used is Complainant. It's another way of saying plaintiff, accuser, petitioner, etc.

I'm really hope they re-test the DNA samples.

[Marie]

Originally posted by Rain Man
[hijack]I never said anything of the sort. Can you show me the post(s) I made on GreekChat supporting this assertion? Thanks. [/hijack]

No you stated on Greek Peeps that you felt that your cyber fighting had held you back. While you do have less than controversial relationships on this board, they aren't exactly happy either. I just thought that the same principle would apply. If that's not the case, then that's fine. No need to play dumb though.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Marie
No you stated on Greek Peeps that you felt that your cyber fighting had held you back. While you do have less than controversial relationships on this board, they aren't exactly happy either. I just thought that the same principle would apply. If that's not the case, then that's fine. No need to play dumb though.

Without going into a lengthy spiel, what I posted on GP stays in GP and what I post on GC stays on GC. I do not cross-post issues I may have from one forum to another. So essentially your assertion is totally irrevelant to my activities here. That is why I asked you to to present something that I posted in GreekChat supporting this.

Please PM me if you have any other issues with this.

Now back to the topic at hand (Mods, sorry for the hijack--you can delete this if you wish).

[Marie]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Without going into a lengthy spiel, what I posted on GP stays in GP and what I post on GC stays on GC. I do not cross-post issues I may have from one forum to another. So essentially your assertion is totally irrevelant to my activities here. That is why I asked you to to present something that I posted in GreekChat supporting this.

Please PM me if you have any other issues with this.

Now back to the topic at hand (Mods, sorry for the hijack--you can delete this if you wish).

It was a question (and whether you know it or not, not a malicious one), not an assertion. However, I foolishly assumed that you'd just answer it like a normal human being instead of like the ass that you seem hell-bent on prooving yourself to be.

Mods, I also apologize. I had no idea that this would carry this far.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Marie
It was a question (and whether you know it or not, not a malicious one), not an assertion. However, I foolishly assumed that you'd just answer it like a normal human being instead of like the ass that you seem hell-bent on prooving yourself to be.

Mods, I also apologize. I had no idea that this would carry this far.

Anyways, in other news going on this afternoon.....

When is the DA going to issue his statement dropping the charges so we can put this issue to rest once and for all, because for what it's worth, this victim's credibility is cracking and crumbling like crazy? (how's that for alliteration?)