Question: Does anyone ever see the NPHC allowing inclusion of a 10th group?

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
No.

Ah *sighs*

*singing*
There is none so blind
As he who will not see...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Whatever the freak that means

Your tangent is humorous because you are only a member of APO and are a self-professed anti-elitist who has an issue with "NPHC power." That's what it means.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Ah *sighs*

*singing*
There is none so blind
As he who will not see...

I hope this thread enlightened you.

[Rain Man]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
The real issue is that we aren't the NIC so why even bring that up? I believe you have already read OUR criteria, so what's your point?

The point is if an org is good enough to join NIC, what makes NPHC so special that an org wants to jump through hoops and join NPHC? If the NIC is a good council to affiliate with, what makes NPHC a great one, or is that merely a perceived "illusion of inclusion"?

Are you petitioning for APO to be accepted in the NPHC, or something? Geesh.

National Bylaws prohibit APO from affiliating with any interfraternity councils unless local campus policies require such affiliation in order to keep their charter.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
No.

OK, I'll say it this way:

Denial is a river in Africa

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
The point is if an org is good enough to join NIC, what makes NPHC so special that an org wants to jump through hoops and join NPHC? If the NIC is a good council to affiliate with, what makes NPHC a great one, or is that merely a perceived "illusion of inclusion"?

National Bylaws prohibit APO from affiliating with any interfraternity councils unless local campus policies require such affiliation in order to keep their charter.

We are special because we are. If our being special and DIFFERENT than NIC hurts your feelings, that's just too bad.

I was joking about APO. I know that you all don't meet our stringent criteria.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Rain Man
I will ask it again:

If these orgs are established, solid and strong enough to be part of the NIC, but are not established, solid and strong enough to be part of the NPHC, what is the real issue at hand?

Or more directly: Is being THAT established, strong and solid the real issue in being part of the NPHC?

Hmm...the only people who would know the answer to that are the individuals who created the criteria for membership. You seem really bothered by it so I suggest you contact NPHC officials for clarity.We could go in circles for days about this.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
OK, I'll say it this way:

Denial is a river in Africa

Why respond to one post twice? Are you off your meds?

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Your tangent is humorous because you are only a member of APO and are a self-professed anti-elitist who has an issue with "NPHC power." That's what it means.

*in my best Don Adams/Agent 86 voice* AND LOVING IT!!

Look, I am just speaking my mind like everyone else here is entitled to do, regardless of fraternal affiliation, sex, race, etc.

That is why it's called GreekCHAT.com

[Sistermadly]

Is Kappa Alpha Psi still a member of the NIC? And wasn't there an undergraduate chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha that left the NPHC and affiliated with the IFC on their campus?

I don't recall what the requirements are for a fraternity to join the NIC or for a sorority to join the NPC, but as long as there is a historical precedent, I don't think we can completely discount the possibility that a predominately African American and/or multicultural GLO will join one of those other councils.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Sistermadly
Is Kappa Alpha Psi still a member of the NIC? And wasn't there an undergraduate chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha that left the NPHC and affiliated with the IFC on their campus?

I don't recall what the requirements are for a fraternity to join the NIC or for a sorority to join the NPC, but as long as there is a historical precedent, I don't think we can completely discount the possibility that a predominately African American and/or multicultural GLO will join one of those other councils.

Both Kappa Alpha Psi and Iota Phi Theta are members of IFC.

I knew of a Latina sorority that was active in a local NPC chapter.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rain Man
*in my best Don Adams/Agent 86 voice* AND LOVING IT!!

Look, I am just speaking my mind like everyone else here is entitled to do, regardless of fraternal affiliation, sex, race, etc.

That is why it's called GreekCHAT.com

You already admitted you had some other issues with the NPHC. So, your opinion is a bit misguided. Do what you like and good luck.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Sistermadly
Is Kappa Alpha Psi still a member of the NIC? And wasn't there an undergraduate chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha that left the NPHC and affiliated with the IFC on their campus?

I don't recall what the requirements are for a fraternity to join the NIC or for a sorority to join the NPC, but as long as there is a historical precedent, I don't think we can completely discount the possibility that a predominately African American and/or multicultural GLO will join one of those other councils.

I agree.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
We are special because we are.

Ah, the illusion of inclusion leads to a mind of delusion. Hey, I like how that flows

If our being special and DIFFERENT than NIC hurts your feelings, that's just too bad.

*sigh* If you say so.....

I was joking about APO. I know that you all don't meet our stringent criteria.

I like a challenge. Let's break it down, shall we:

Section 8. Eligibility for Affiliate Membership. To be eligible for affiliate membership in NPHC, a fraternity or sorority which did not hold membership prior to December 1995 must meet the following requirements. The fraternity or sorority shall:

a. Be devoted to general fraternity or sorority ideals and be in conformity with the NPHC Constitution and Bylaws and the NPHC Mission Statement.
b. Have been in existence for at least fifteen (15) years and shall have been incorporated in the United States of America.
c. Be national in scope and consist of a total of no less than one hundred (100) undergraduate and alumni chapters, which have a current financial membership of at least five (5) persons. Of the aforesaid 100 undergraduate and alumni chapters, a total of no less than fifty (50) must have been a part of the fraternity or sorority for at least ten (10) years.
d. Have constitutional provisions for a national convention, with interim authority vested in trustees, a board of directors or the officers who supervise the affairs of the fraternity or sorority.
e. Have undergraduate chapters recognized by and be in good standing with accredited four-year colleges or universities which offer at least a baccalaureate degree.

A. Need more clarification; If by "general" fraternity and sorority ideals, you mean a "social" fraternity, then the answer is no. As far as being in conformity to NPHC Constitution and Bylaws and NPHC Mission Statement, that remains to be seen; I can't find a copy of such on the official site.

B. YES! Incorporated originally in the state of Virginia, now incorporated in the state of Missouri, and will be 80 years old in December

C. YES! Have over 700 chapters in the United States and about another 3-400 in the Phillipines, majority of charters issued before 1980. As far as financial members go, we don't track financial members in the same sense that NPHC does, so I'm not sure how that comes into play.

D&E. YES! We have all of the above.

So barring 1-2 issues that need clarification, APO could easily petition to be part of the NPHC. However, I think the issues preventing this (and I think this is what is meant by "general fraternity ideals") is that we are neither single-sex (though some local chapters still are), nor are we mutually exclusive in membership affiliation. Oh, and of course the bylaws.

But then, since we do not now nor ever in the past planned on affiliating with a council, that is neither here nor there--especially considering 8 of our founders were members of Sigma Alpha Epsilon, and 5 were Kappa Delta Rho's (originally Krescents)

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
You already admitted you had some other issues with the NPHC. So, your opinion is a bit misguided. Do what you like and good luck.

I already am--I am speaking my mind, misguided or otherwise.

In the words of Bartles and Jaymes:

Thank you for your support.