A GC Hypothetical

[Jen]

I'm going to respond to the original post. Imagine that!

I have come across internet fakers many times on many different types of boards.

I lurk at multiple births message boards and there are tons of fakers there....women who pretend to be having triplets and fake miscarriages, people soliciting for free things for their non-existant children. One faker was a moderator of a parenting board, contacted hospitalized mothers, and was then found out to be lying - she had been pretending to be two different people and had befriended many women and their families.

A lot of the fakers steal photos of real multiple birth children and their families and pass them off as their own, one person was impersonating a mother expecting quints in Arizona. Another faker claimed to be a pregnant mother and would ask for photos from her new friends and it turned out to be a man with a pregnancy fetish.

I actually have a whole section on my multiple births website that outs fakers on multiples message boards, so people won't get duped by them, because I've seen the damage they can do.

A lot of the fakers turn out to be teenagers or girls in their early 20s, most are really self conscious and have bad self esteem or feel that they don't belong at a certain type of message board, so they make up a person that would be accepted, and for the most part their faking is harmless. A lot of them, once confronted, would come clean and post as themselves, and their real selves were always 100 times better than the fake things they made up. Others vanished after being confronted, and the serious ones created huge problems for people, stalking them online, spamming message boards and emails of people, creating more identities etc until they were reported to their ISPs and banned at that end from accessing the websites they were harassing.

People are going to lie on the internet, just as people are going to lie in real life. And people are going to discover those lies at some point. I'd rather have someone tell me "Hey, watch out for this person, they lied to a whole message board." than meet the alter ego, become friends with them and be pissed off when I discovered later that they were fake and no one bothered to tell me.

[mu_agd]

Originally posted by Rudey
I don't know what your issue is. I've never come on and upset you, insulted you, or said anything bad about you whether you care for my posts or not.

I have responded to this before. I do not harass you people. I want nothing to do with Tom yet I get harassed by him. He made his name into his username and wasn't upset about putting his public info on greekchat. As soon as I did it I was threatened with a banning.

Now as for you guys. You went and found out my name. You went and put up my pictures on here. How messed up is it to past someone's baby pictures on here?? I don't even talk to a lot of you. I don't care to. I specifically asked some of you nicely to remove my info and couldn't understand why and you all understood I was upset that you had put it on there. It was upsetting that you had also all gotten so caught up in this that several of you had to search on the net to find out this info about me and girls I didn't even know before (adpimel) decided to post info about me too. I have said that before. When this happened nobody talked about banning you.

So again, don't try and compare apples and oranges and I would prefer it if you put me damn well on ignore if it made you happy. As far as I'm concerned I don't know enough about what Mullet/IowaHawkEye did. Am I concerned? No because it doesn't affect me. Do I know everything? No probably not. Do I have sympathy for Jules? Yes and I think she knows that because I've never said anything to show her otherwise. She knows I was upset when you guys (not naming names) decided to come on here and make fun of people's looks like that when they had done nothing to you. I was upset when people made mocking livejournals and whatnot. That I won't budge on. You can say I upset people sometimes but I never go out looking to hurt someone and yes, people can be hurt by words on the internet just as you were upset when colonist made remarks about a girl being overweight so I think you should understand.

-Rudey

dude, i have nothing against you, i never have. i may not agree with some stuff that you say but i don't have any "issues" as you say i have. i was just trying to understand why people lump everyone together because they are friends with these people. please tell me when i ever when and found out your name and posted your pictures, because i never did. all i wanted to know was why some people were getting bitched at for doing something when other did something similar. it's a horrible thing that you got/get harrassed, but the same thing is happening to someone else and people don't seem to give a shit. all i'm trying to do is understand something and i get told i have issues.

[Imperial1]

Why were my 2 posts deleted!??!?!?!?

Imperial1

[sugar and spice]

1) This is not an H&A issue. Everyone who is making it into one, please stop -- you sound retarded. The majority of the people who were hurt/freaked out by IHE were not H&A, and the one who was is somebody who I know for a fact has NEVER been mean to anyone on GC.

2) Side note, but to everyone who keeps posting stuff like, "Well, I'd respond but I'm scared that I'll get flamed by the H&A so I'm keeping my mouth shut" -- do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? I don't want to bust out the "it's just the internet" excuse, but really, are you so insecure in your opinion that the fact that you could potentially get flamed for it is going to upset you that much? I've posted stuff on this board where I know for a fact that I'll get slammed by tons of people . . . why should I care that they disagree with my opinion? I know how I feel and that's good enough for me. And seriously, the fact that anybody on this board is intimidated by a handful of mostly 20-something sorority girls who are more concerned with what pink drink they're going to order at the bar tonight, how long the sale at J. Crew is going to last, and how to get RAs to make out with them (LOL) than they are with anything on this board continues to blow my mind.

3) Another side note, but the H&A does not have the power to "run people off the board." If we did, things would look a lot different around here. People leave because they choose to leave -- yes, their decision may be influenced by the environment on GC but ultimately THEY are the ones who make the decision and to continue to blame the H&A for this is also ridiculous.

4) valkyrie and AXJules originally posted this information because they wanted to be NICE -- they wanted to make sure anybody who had interacted with mullet knew what she was about. Like I said, we thought that the way the original IHE case was handled was unfair and possibly damaging (and made it harder for people to catch her when she came back with a new name because they didn't know what to look out for) -- there were people who were "in the know" and people who weren't, even though some of them deserved to be. We didn't want that to be the case this time because we felt that everyone who had interacted with her should know what was going on. If you don't care, that's fine. Feel free to not post in this thread. But to be MEAN to someone for posting something that she posted to help people, when she is already scared out of her mind because of the lengths IHE has gone to off the board.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by mu_agd
dude, i have nothing against you, i never have. i may not agree with some stuff that you say but i don't have any "issues" as you say i have. i was just trying to understand why people lump everyone together because they are friends with these people. please tell me when i ever when and found out your name and posted your pictures, because i never did. all i wanted to know was why some people were getting bitched at for doing something when other did something similar. it's a horrible thing that you got/get harrassed, but the same thing is happening to someone else and people don't seem to give a shit. all i'm trying to do is understand something and i get told i have issues.

They were not similar. This happened to me for weeks and probably closer to months now that I think about it. I want to know who on Greekchat had their name posted over and over along with their pictures back to when they were a baby. I had to go into my accounts and change those pictures and eventually my university closed the account on the server. I explicitly spoke to several of you to remove it. I explicitly asked the moderators to come and remove it. Eventually aside from closing my accounts I went and did a full search on greekchat and handed that list to moderators and to John. There was absolutely no confusion on your parts unless you were mentally retarded and lived in half-way homes. And you did not post my picture because as I remember all you did was ask about something that was on one of my items of clothing as a baby, but I never said it was YOU explicitly.

Again, I'm not in this for you to like me. I am not in this to have an amazingly deep experience. I am in this to waste time every now and again and to maybe learn a thing or two about greek life.

Edited to add:
I was just sent a link by someone on PM regarding your little livejournal group. I don't care enough to read your livejournals, but I find it funny that my name is listed under your interests. Again several of you are a bunch of little losers who have nothing but the internet to occupy your lives.

-Rudey

[sugar and spice]

Actually, Rudey, I was the one who posted the baby picture and you never once asked me to remove it.

Furthermore, as the photo was already posted online (by you) and especially because we didn't allude to the fact that, um, it was you, we didn't understand why it was a problem. I can understand your issues with your name being posted on GC (again, not in the context of "this is Rudey!" -- without your involvement nobody would have linked them to you), but I still don't think you have a valid argument when it comes to linking to a picture that's already online.






HELLO RANDOM THREAD!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Actually, Rudey, I was the one who posted the baby picture and you never once asked me to remove it.

Furthermore, as the photo was already posted online (by you) and especially because we didn't allude to the fact that, um, it was you, we didn't understand why it was a problem. I can understand your issues with your name being posted on GC (again, not in the context of "this is Rudey!" -- without your involvement nobody would have linked them to you), but I still don't think you have a valid argument when it comes to linking to a picture that's already online.






HELLO RANDOM THREAD!

It wasn't posted on GC. In fact you knew I didn't want it on there because your friends told you. Later you even said I got upset my info was posted so that is why you did it. My name is still in your little livejournal community.

Just give it up at this point little stalker girl.

-Rudey

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

I am going to chime in with the "I don't care crowd"........

HELLO, if you think someone is out to get you call the police. I don't know about your state but WA has an internet stalking law and it has actually been successful in the recent past.

She got close to you once and you "outed" her. I would think that would make you MUCH more selective as to who you get close to after that.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
I am going to chime in with the "I don't care crowd"........

HELLO, if you think someone is out to get you call the police. I don't know about your state but WA has an internet stalking law and it has actually been successful in the recent past.

She got close to you once and you "outed" her. I would think that would make you MUCH more selective as to who you get close to after that.

Hold on a sec. Let's all think logically about this. I care if anyone gets hurt OK? I honestly would care if even TomEarp got hurt. And you know what? I think Jules is pretty cool and a nice girl. I don't know the details and I truly hope it's not much but I still care.

Come on people. Use common sense here. There is a line. Do not go around in some prolonged campaign to pretend you are someone else and do not make people worry by posting their information.

Think people. Seriously, think about this because this has to be one of the easiest concepts to understand.

-Rudey

[James]

I am not going to presume to speak for smartblondeGPB, but i don't believe she meant it the way are taking it.

I believe she is just stating an obvious point. If you think you are at physical risk, call the police.

If there is no physical risk . . well then there isn't.

No one is encouraging harm on anyone.

And as an extra: If you think the person is highly unstable and likely to physically try and kill or maim you, provoking them by posting a lot of this stuff publicly is just unwise.

You should have gone straight to the police.

Claiming threat of death or injury is taking IHE to a whole 'nother level of drama.

Originally posted by Rudey
Hold on a sec. Let's all think logically about this. I care if anyone gets hurt OK? I honestly would care if even TomEarp got hurt. And you know what? I think Jules is pretty cool and a nice girl. I don't know the details and I truly hope it's not much but I still care.

Come on people. Use common sense here. There is a line. Do not go around in some prolonged campaign to pretend you are someone else and do not make people worry by posting their information.

Think people. Seriously, think about this because this has to be one of the easiest concepts to understand.

-Rudey

[wrigley]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
. I don't know about your state but WA has an internet stalking law and it has actually been successful in the recent past.

Thanks for posting information about the internet stalking law in WA. Illinois has amended it's stalking law to include the internet as well.
http://www.wiredpatrol.org/cyberstal.../illinios.html

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
I am going to chime in with the "I don't care crowd"........

HELLO, if you think someone is out to get you call the police. I don't know about your state but WA has an internet stalking law and it has actually been successful in the recent past.

She got close to you once and you "outed" her. I would think that would make you MUCH more selective as to who you get close to after that.

As I posted above, if you don't care, fine. Then don't respond.

Jules did not post what she did an attempt to be all, "LOOK AT ME! IHE IS STALKING ME! AREN'T I COOL?" She did it as a heads-up to the rest of the GCers who interacted with her, letting them know not to disclose too much information on the board. J. is not talking about a situation where she gave IHE/mullet her phone number or last name or any of that jazz -- as I said before, I don't think any of us, even those who were theoretically "close" to her, talked to her offline -- hell, we only talked to her a few times off GC. But the information is there that for many GCers, given their pictures and the info on this board or in their online journals (GLO, workplace, where they hang out), they wouldn't be too hard to track down. As said above, IHE has done that with GCers before and could easily do it again. I don't think anybody is accusing her of causing physical harm to anyone, but given her apparent mental state I don't think any of us can accurately predict what could happen and it's better for everyone on the board to be informed.

At this point it's hard to say whether or not the police should be involved, and that is a problem that certain GCers are strugging with. If you had no interactions with IHE/mullet, you shouldn't worry your pretty little heads about that decision because it doesn't involve you, and that's not what this thread is about.

Obviously Rudey and I rarely agree but this is one of the cases where I back up his post one hundred percent. For those of you who claim you don't care -- great! Then don't waste your time posting. This was not posted for your benefit; it was posted for the benefit of those who did have interactions with IHE/mullet and deserve to know. Obviously we all need to be careful who we trust on the internet, but AXJules did NOTHING wrong whatsoever in this situation and I'm started to get tired of everybody pointing fingers when she and the other people involved are already going through a really stressful time.

[SmartBlondeGPhB]

To reword my first line (which I think is what Rudey is responding to).

"I don't care to hear all about it on an internet chat board" because as has been said, it doesn't involve the majority of us and she's not the first to impersonate someone else. What has been posted so far sounds SO much like some sappy soap opera.

It's like the phrase hurt me once, shame on you hurt me twice shame on me. If you don't want to be taken in by people who might not be honest then don't reveal much info to people. And if you really feel like you're in danger, call the cops.

[Rudey]

Listen little stalker one. Don't mention my name. Live in your little psycho bubble but have nothing to do with me. That is how I will deal with you freako.

Jules will take the precautions she needs to and I am confident that the moderators, administrator and any other person who may be involved will help out here on that. That is how she will deal with that freako.

-Rudey

Originally posted by sugar and spice
As I posted above, if you don't care, fine. Then don't respond.

Jules did not post what she did an attempt to be all, "LOOK AT ME! IHE IS STALKING ME! AREN'T I COOL?" She did it as a heads-up to the rest of the GCers who interacted with her, letting them know not to disclose too much information on the board. J. is not talking about a situation where she gave IHE/mullet her phone number or last name or any of that jazz -- as I said before, I don't think any of us, even those who were theoretically "close" to her, talked to her offline -- hell, we only talked to her a few times off GC. But the information is there that for many GCers, given their pictures and the info on this board or in their online journals (GLO, workplace, where they hang out), they wouldn't be too hard to track down. As said above, IHE has done that with GCers before and could easily do it again. I don't think anybody is accusing her of causing physical harm to anyone, but given her apparent mental state I don't think any of us can accurately predict what could happen and it's better for everyone on the board to be informed.

At this point it's hard to say whether or not the police should be involved, and that is a problem that certain GCers are strugging with. If you had no interactions with IHE/mullet, you shouldn't worry your pretty little heads about that decision because it doesn't involve you, and that's not what this thread is about.

Obviously Rudey and I rarely agree but this is one of the cases where I back up his post one hundred percent. For those of you who claim you don't care -- great! Then don't waste your time posting. This was not posted for your benefit; it was posted for the benefit of those who did have interactions with IHE/mullet and deserve to know. Obviously we all need to be careful who we trust on the internet, but AXJules did NOTHING wrong whatsoever in this situation and I'm started to get tired of everybody pointing fingers when she and the other people involved are already going through a really stressful time.

[AXJules]

THANK YOU HEATHER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ELSE TO SAY.

Originally posted by SmartBlondeGPhB
To reword my first line (which I think is what Rudey is responding to).

"I don't care to hear all about it on an internet chat board" because as has been said, it doesn't involve the majority of us and she's not the first to impersonate someone else. What has been posted so far sounds SO much like some sappy soap opera.

It's like the phrase hurt me once, shame on you hurt me twice shame on me. If you don't want to be taken in by people who might not be honest then don't reveal much info to people. And if you really feel like you're in danger, call the cops.

As for you, before you chide me for being an idiot and not going to the cops or provoking her, you have no clue what I have and have not done. And, guess what?, it is smart not to disclose that. If you look at my original post, I did not write anything about "she's a serial killer let's attack she's gonna hurt me" I posted what facts I had. (Which have since been confirmed-they have the same IP.) I stressed that I WAS NOT FRIENDLY WITH HER AND HAD NO CONTACT OFF OF GC, yet because she knew a friend of a friend of a friend, she began to impersonate me. She has been proven and documented stalking other people.
This is clearly a GC issue...she was a mod here the first time, has now impersonated 2 sororities, and that is the only place she and I ever had contact.

I am NOT looking for any of your sympathy, but I am amazed at the brazen attitudes some of you have come at me with. As said before, I would never wish harm on you whether we disagree or not...if you don't care, don't post here. Better yet, maybe I should have never said anything so one of you who has NO CONTACT WITH HER could have the same thing done to you.

Better written by a good friend:

"Guys this is a me issue. I'm sorry for the confusion with other girls posting that might have made it seem as if it was an H&A issue.

I am not asking for anyone to hurt me. I am not trying to make fun of this girl and make this group feel better. I am saying I am worried because this greekchatter has harassed people in real life in the past and it is now happening to me. I have contacted law enforcement as well as the moderators and the administrator on this website to inform them.

That is all. I don't need your sympathy but I hope you all realize that this website can get dangerous so please take the proper precautions"

ETA: I forgot the most important part. I think its smartest not to be here anymore (I'm not starting a whole thread on leaving either!! ) so please do not mistake my lack of response for agreement.