Relations between the Jewish community and GLOs

[Rudey]

Originally posted by sammysfa
"Rudey
--By the way how come so many of your chapters are dying off? I think you're down to 65 or so now huh?"

We have over 70 groups and we are a Jewish Fraternity as is ZBT. My brother is a ZBT and I am a Sammy, we are both Jewish.

Sammy has over 12 chapters with over 100 men. AEPI doesn't!!!! Five Jewish guys in an elevator doesn't make a chapter unless your are an AEPI.

Stephen is one sammy out of over 3,000 undergraduate members and probably the worst example to think of. I am sure if we put members from quite a few different sororities and fraternities on TV like that there would be other "stephens" out there. I only posted what I posted because I am tired of AEPI claiming to be the only Jewish Fraternity!!! The funny thing is that at the largest school in the USA the University of Texas at Austin the two largest groups that attract the Jewish population are ZBT and Sammy! Plus now that we have moved back into a house at Indiana University I am sure we will explode again there also. Plus for years at the University of Wisconsin we were a 150 man Jewish chapter and at Maryland too. So, my point is that AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity and they need to stop falsely advertising themselves.

Besides, at my Temple the Rabbi is a Sammy, three past Temple presidents are Sammy's and most of the men there are ZBT or SAM. So, gosh I guess what were not Jewish because we joined those groups and the only way to be a Jew according to AEPI is to join AEPI. AEPI better watch out because we are on a serious expansion plan and hired a past Hillel director who is a Sammy to become our Assistant Executive Director in charge of Expansion so it won't be long!

Proud to be a Sammy!

Right. So we have twice as many chapters as you, support a Jewish charity, are national partners with Hillel and AIPAC and the list goes on and on.

I know quite a few other fraternities that have many Jews in their membership, but they are not Jewish. You lack the intelligence to even understand the statement. You can be a Jew in any fraternity, including in any of the Black or Hispanic ones, but AEPi is a Jewish fraternity. On your website you have 64 chapters, not over 70 by the way. And when you talk about how many men you had at certain chapters, the key word in those sentences is "were". George Washington was president. You were a 150 man chapter. AEPi is the Jewish fraternity.

I would encourage you to be a Jewish fraternity and not a historically Jewish fraternity. I mean there are so few and AEPi alone can't support all these men.

Had you the common sense to keep your mouth shut your weaknesses would not be exposed. Instead you came on here insulting away at my fraternity. Again, we are twice your size and you have made your fraternity look awful to so many people who have never even heard of Sammy. Good job. Between you insulting others and Stephen beating on women, getting arrested for car theft and prostitution your fraternity has a great future. It's great that you had a handful of posts on this discussion forum and half of them were trying to insult my fraternity.

Some difficult questions for you:
What percentage of your fraternity is Jewish?
Why have so many of your chapters folded?
And perhaps you should consider your chapter's status. Weren't they in trouble? Are you part of IFC again?

-Rudey
--You need to work on your problems and concentrate on your goals instead of embarassing your fraternity by even mentioning the glory of mine

[Rudey]

Originally posted by kappaloo
Do you _have_ be Jewish to be in AEPi?

No not at all.

I want to talk about my brothers at Missouri - Rolla. I bring these guys up because when I was in Nashville a few years ago for our convention, they were the ones that I felt most comfortable with. I spent my time with them. They are 100% non-Jewish in that chapter. But the thing is that they even have Chanukah parties. When they went to another chapter and saw someone say something anti-semitic they stood up and said something.

AEPi is not Jewish in history. AEPi is Jewish. We are open to anyone and every good man. However our traditions will be preserved and so will our mission and goal - which includes creating future leader for the Jewish community and our recruits know this so no confusion is out there.

-Rudey

[33girl]

Originally posted by Rudey
AEPi is not Jewish in history. AEPi is Jewish. We are open to anyone and every good man. However our traditions will be preserved and so will our mission and goal - which includes creating future leader for the Jewish community and our recruits know this so no confusion is out there.

-Rudey

So in other words AEPi works for the Jewish community much like the NPHC groups work for the Black community?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by 33girl
So in other words AEPi works for the Jewish community much like the NPHC groups work for the Black community?

I can't comment on any NPHC organizations. I can only comment on what I know and that is AEPi.

AEPi is tied to the community but isn't a community service fraternity, like many NPHC (if not all). We are a social fraternity in the NIC along with many other fraternities that are historically white and historically Christian.

Our mission is to instill great values in our men of Perserverance,
Faith, Honesty, Mutual Helpfulness, and Humility.

Our mission is to encourage men to be leaders in their communities and in their countries (we are pretty big in Canada so it's plural).

Our mission, if you were to glance at it online, also mentions the word Jewish more times than I can count. It is expected that if there are anti-semitic incidents on campus our fraternity needs to step up. We vote on resolutions of support for Israel at our conventions every year. As well as being tied to our general communities and our countries, AEPi seeks to also create leaders in the Jewish community. That is what makes us Jewish and not historically Jewish.

-Rudey

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by sammysfa

We have over 70 groups and we are a Jewish Fraternity as is ZBT. My brother is a ZBT and I am a Sammy, we are both Jewish.

Sammy has over 12 chapters with over 100 men. AEPI doesn't!!!! Five Jewish guys in an elevator doesn't make a chapter unless your are an AEPI.

Stephen is one sammy out of over 3,000 undergraduate members and probably the worst example to think of. I am sure if we put members from quite a few different sororities and fraternities on TV like that there would be other "stephens" out there. I only posted what I posted because I am tired of AEPI claiming to be the only Jewish Fraternity!!! The funny thing is that at the largest school in the USA the University of Texas at Austin the two largest groups that attract the Jewish population are ZBT and Sammy! Plus now that we have moved back into a house at Indiana University I am sure we will explode again there also. Plus for years at the University of Wisconsin we were a 150 man Jewish chapter and at Maryland too. So, my point is that AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity and they need to stop falsely advertising themselves.

I attend the University of Wisconsin, and while it may be true that at one point you had a 150-man chapter here, it's not like that now. A recent scandal caused the chapter to sink from being one of the biggest on campus to one of the smallest. AEPi , meanwhile, is in the top-middle of the pack in terms of numbers and is very prominent on campus (including a recent IFC president).

I don't mean to knock anybody because I've met and liked members from both groups. But if you're going to argue that Sammy is so great, you need to use current statistics to back that up . . .

[Rudey]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I attend the University of Wisconsin, and while it may be true that at one point you had a 150-man chapter here, it's not like that now. A recent scandal caused the chapter to sink from being one of the biggest on campus to one of the smallest. AEPi , meanwhile, is in the top-middle of the pack in terms of numbers and is very prominent on campus (including a recent IFC president).

I don't mean to knock anybody because I've met and liked members from both groups. But if you're going to argue that Sammy is so great, you need to use current statistics to back that up . . .

Czechoslovakia was a former country in Eastern Europe.
The Berlin wall separated East German and West Germany.
Polio was rampant in America.
Sigma Alpha Mu had a 150 man chapter.

-Rudey

[Sister Havana]

Originally posted by kddani
I never realized that the Jewish faith made you have such ill will and hatred towards others, even those of your own faith.

It doesn't. This guy is an exception.

[DeltaSigStan]

This year, ZBT and Sammy are both relatively small, and AEPi is somewhat bigger. ZBT and Sammy are not Jewish interest on our campus; only AEPi is. But I don't see anyone hating on Sammy and ZBT cause they're NOT Jewish. It's just another case of finding what you're comfortable with.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
This year, ZBT and Sammy are both relatively small, and AEPi is somewhat bigger. ZBT and Sammy are not Jewish interest on our campus; only AEPi is. But I don't see anyone hating on Sammy and ZBT cause they're NOT Jewish. It's just another case of finding what you're comfortable with.

Correct. Who hates them because of their mission? AEPi has chosen not to go down that same path. As for this wonderful example of a fraternity man, here is his chapter:

http://deanofstudents.utexas.edu/gle/disc.php

2002

Sigma Alpha Mu- Hazing Penalty issued December 2002 (Cancelled through December 31, 2004; Suspension of organizational rights through December 31, 2005; Probation through Spring Semester 2006).

2001

Sigma Alpha Mu- Hazing Penalty issued December 2001 (Suspension of organizational rights through February 15, 2002; Probation through 2003).

-Rudey