"Frat Boys"

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
do not know if JFK a Greek, but not as undergrad

JFK was an alumni or honorary initiate of Phi Kappa Theta, a Catholic-heritage fraternity.

[emb021]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
negative: 75 bids, 55 pledges, 26 initiates sucks...do they have
positive screening, good mentoring?
Title: Frat Boys is a turnoff for those who loved it all
Blackball usage: cowardly, obsolete, should be gone.
positive: beautiful house, well kept, shows extreme pride
pledge duties not demeaning, positive
dress of members, language, decorum
Kinda brings back what we think Greeks should be. And while the laws have changed, and times are different, there is still a lot
of room for the drinking scholar.
To classy Phi Delta Theta (and good almost everywhere), Sigma
Nu, et al. ya did good
Alums... wimpy Clinton not a Greek,

Uh. Clinton IS Greek. He pledged the Georgetown chapter of Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity. For better or worse, he's our most well known alumni.

Comments on your other comments:

Surprised by the blackball usage for bidding. Was told in a private email that this is not allowed in that fraternity. Mine forbids it, and I would think others as well.
Found some of the pledge duties demeaning/non positive. Mine forbids any personal service by pledges toward actives. They showed a lot of this, especially in the last weeks of their pledgeship.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by emb021
Surprised by the blackball usage for bidding. Was told in a private email that this is not allowed in that fraternity. Mine forbids it, and I would think others as well.

According to the General Statutes of Phi Delta Theta, section 133:

When any person is proposed to a chapter for membership, every active member of the chapter shall be required to investigate the qualifications of that person for membership in the Fraternity and his worthiness as a future member of the Fraternity. Every member of the chapter shall be entitled to give a full expression of opinion as to the qualifications and worthiness of the person proposed for membership. No person shall be pledged to or become a member of the chapter until the chapter is satisfied of the worthiness of the person and that he meets the requirements for membership in the Fraternity, and until the active members of the chapter at the time the vote is taken, vote in accordance with their chapter’s bylaws to extend to that person a bid to become a member.

This would seem to suggest that it is up to the chapter whether to use a blackball procedure.

[emb021]

Originally posted by MysticCat81
According to the General Statutes of Phi Delta Theta, section 133:

When any person is proposed to a chapter for membership, every active member of the chapter shall be required to investigate the qualifications of that person for membership in the Fraternity and his worthiness as a future member of the Fraternity. Every member of the chapter shall be entitled to give a full expression of opinion as to the qualifications and worthiness of the person proposed for membership. No person shall be pledged to or become a member of the chapter until the chapter is satisfied of the worthiness of the person and that he meets the requirements for membership in the Fraternity, and until the active members of the chapter at the time the vote is taken, vote in accordance with their chapter’s bylaws to extend to that person a bid to become a member.

This would seem to suggest that it is up to the chapter whether to use a blackball procedure.

Yes, I would agree with that assement, unless there are other policies that forbid 'blackball' voting.

Also, for those that may not understand 'blackball' voting. The issue with 'blackball' voting is not with method of voting, but on the votes needed. When you run for an office in your chapter, you need only get a majority vote to win (half plus one). Motions are passed by either a majority vote or in certain cases a 2/3 vote. With blackball voting you need a unanimous vote or near unanimous vote. In the bidding shown in "Frat Boys" they needed a unanimous vote. Now, with the person they showed us they were voting on, in the first round he did not get a unanimous vote (I think he got 2-3 no votes), but they worked to get a unanimous vote rather then just saying this guy got no bid.

In my fraternity, blackball voting is forbidden in determining pledges becoming brothers, but this is stated in our National Pledging Standards. Not sure if other policies/documents mention it.

[enlightenment06]

Originally posted by emb021
Uh. Clinton IS Greek. He pledged the Georgetown chapter of Alpha Phi Omega, National Service Fraternity. For better or worse, he's our most well known alumni.

I heard Clinton was a member of SAE. Is this not true?

[emb021]

Originally posted by enlightenment06
I heard Clinton was a member of SAE. Is this not true?

That I don't know. I checked their website and he is not listed as one of their alumni.

I DO now recall he is also a member of Phi Alpha Delta, a Law professional Fraternity. I remember seeing him shown on one of their brochures as one of their alum.

Hope that helps

[Munchkin03]

If he is an SAE, he'd be an alumni initiate, as Georgetown does not have an NIC system, or at least they didn't in the late 60s/early 70s.

He is APhiO, which makes him, wimpy or not, just as much of a Greek as any NIC/NPC/NPHC member.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by enlightenment06
I heard Clinton was a member of SAE. Is this not true?

Not so far as I know. I'm not sure whether SAE has ever even had a Georgetown chapter.

You may be remembering that a number of the founders of APO, of which Clinton is a member, were also members of SAE.

[emb021]

Originally posted by Munchkin03
If he is an SAE, he'd be an alumni initiate, as Georgetown does not have an NIC system, or at least they didn't in the late 60s/early 70s.

Well, I took at look at their site. Doesn't look like they have any socials today. Am sure those with more accurate info can correct me on this.

[Senusret I]

enlightenment06: Bill Clinton is not an SAE.

mysticCat: SAE has definitely never had a chapter at Georgetown, and your second statement was what I was thinking also.

emb021: Georgetown still does not recognize socials....however, Alpha Epsilon Pi was established a few years ago. As far as I know, they are a healthy chapter. They are recognized by their nationals and have events off campus. They have had several nice write-ups in the campus papers.

[Tom Earp]

While a Proud member of APO BU CHAPTER, it is not in the same context as NIC, NPC, and NHPC as Social Greek Organizations.

If you are talking about Georgetown U of DC, I think You had better look again!



Yep quite a few listed! Check greekpages.com!

Erik Ya Still Tha Bitchinest, Ole SOB!

[Senusret I]

I am indeed speaking of Georgetown University in Washington, and as an alumnus of the esteemed institution, I think I know which social fraternities and sororities my school recognizes (NONE).

[phikappapsiman]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Think bout this somethin somethin:

What if they had taped Frat Boys at a different, more relaxed on traditions school like one out West?

Hey DeltaSigStan...

What is rush like at SDSU? Do the rushees have to wear jackets and khakis to rush events? Is it as formal as it looked at Ole Miss? Just curious, because no one wore anything like that when I rushed... Thanks for any insight that you can give me...

[DeltaSigStan]

Actually, Josh is the head of Rush, I'll let him explain it, he can do it a lot better.

[Firehouse]

President Clinton was not a member of a social fraternity. I'm told he did go to parties at Arkansas. President Ford was a DEKE at Michigan, not a Sigma Chi.