Anti-War Protesters....

[Kevin]

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I have a question for the people who have stated that they are against the protests because they are blocking traffic, making noise, ect. Are you against Pro-War marchers as well who block traffic and chant "God Bless America" in the streets? Traffic is still being blocked and noise is still being made. Just a question.

It's obnoxious either way.

[RUgreek]

It just makes no sense for people to be protesting anywhere except Washington. The state governments have nothing to do with the war, and it's just as stupid and useless as a pro-war march. Honestly, I've never witnessed a pro-war march, so I wouldn't know if they block traffic. I know making a symbolic statement is important and principles too, but the only people you're affecting is regular citizens and their jobs, it's not furthering any cause to stop the war.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by RUgreek
It just makes no sense for people to be protesting anywhere except Washington. The state governments have nothing to do with the war, and it's just as stupid and useless as a pro-war march. Honestly, I've never witnessed a pro-war march, so I wouldn't know if they block traffic. I know making a symbolic statement is important and principles too, but the only people you're affecting is regular citizens and their jobs, it's not furthering any cause to stop the war.

It's people with nothing better to do on an afternoon...

76 to 70% of Americans polled still support Bush's policy.

I have actually witnessed some pro-war demonstrations. There has been a family camped out on an overpass for two days waving flags and playing music over I-35.

[DagnyGirl]

Ok I just think it's sad that some people feel it's necessary to simplify someone's war stance as Pro or Anti-American. If you live in America, work in America, and appreciate the lifestyle which living here affords you, then I would have to say that whether you are for the war or against it is a moot point. If you fit the above criteria then you are PRO-AMERICAN!!

I seriously doubt anti-war protesters want to see America destroyed. They want what they think is best for their country just as much pro-war citizens do. Please keep that in mind the next time you go to flame someone or call them names.

Also in my experience people only verbally attack others when they have nothing intelligent to say.

Just food for thought..................

[ZZ-kai-]

Yeah, actually (some of you may not believe this), but I think Pro-War (or Pro-Troops) protestors who block streets, start fights, shut down bridges...etc., are also pretty idiotic. All they are doing is disrupting normal life, which we all should continue to live.

What concerns me the most in this whole war, is what if we DON'T find chemical/biological weapons or other weapons of mass destruction? Geez, the USA would look like real idiots. Or what if Saddam purposely allows the US to just march 50,000 troops into Baghdad, and then nuke his own city?

I still believe that everything will be uncovered and we will prevail, proving that Saddam really is a bad guy. I am confident that George W. wouldn't lead the American citizens into this battle without concrete evidence.

I am Pro- American

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I have a question for the people who have stated that they are against the protests because they are blocking traffic, making noise, ect. Are you against Pro-War marchers as well who block traffic and chant "God Bless America" in the streets? Traffic is still being blocked and noise is still being made. Just a question.

[xo_kathy]

Originally posted by ZZ-kai-

proving that Saddam really is a bad guy.

And we needed to start a war to clarify this point?????

[ZZ-kai-]

I don't know if your response was positive towards me or negative, but here goes. Starting the war does not clarify this point, it will end his reign as a dictator and let the Iraqi people live like human beings and not like animals.

I never had a real little brother, but I did have a real big brother, and I can remember time and time again when he used to beat things out of me. You know, "did you tell mom?" as he nails me in the arm until I said "Yes, now leave me alone".

Saddam has lied to the international community for the past 12 years, ON TOP OF killing thousands of his own people with chemical weapons, executing his own military officers and women and children, as well as Kurdish people. It is time someone beat the truth out of this bastard, and the USA is the only country willing to do it. If we didn't step up to the plate, who knows what this ruthless asshole could have done.

I am Pro- American

Originally posted by xo_kathy
And we needed to start a war to clarify this point?????

[MSKKG]

DagnyGirl, the 9/11 terrorists lived in this country, were educated in this country, and enjoyed all of her goodness and benefits (some of it contrary to their religious beliefs) and were still anti-American.

ZZ-kai-, I heard today that we found a chemicals weapon plant which was very well hidden. It was unnoticeable from the air since it was camouflaged by paint and sand that was glued on.

[DagnyGirl]

MSKKG~ I was referring to american citizens, not people who hang out in this country for a while. I thought I made myself clear on that point. Obviously the terrorists didn't have America's best interests at heart but they weren't Americans in the first place.

Just to mix things up a bit, I want to point out that we gave Saddam a good amount of money and weapons to invade Iran years ago. He was just as bad then as he is now yet the US saw fit to support him. Now before people start posting that I am wrong, do your homework. It's not something talked about in the media often, but Tom Brokaw mentioned it a few days ago.

Happy posting!

[Kevin]

Originally posted by DagnyGirl

Just to mix things up a bit, I want to point out that we gave Saddam a good amount of money and weapons to invade Iran years ago. He was just as bad then as he is now yet the US saw fit to support him. Now before people start posting that I am wrong, do your homework. It's not something talked about in the media often, but Tom Brokaw mentioned it a few days ago.

Happy posting!

What does that really have to do with anything though?

I don't see that so much as a valid argument for NOT going after Saddam. Perhaps as a reason FOR it as in we should clean up our own mess.

I'm sure if you gave the powers that were a crystal ball so they could have seen the planes crashing into the twin towers they wouldn't have done what they did. At the time though we had a much greater threat -- remember the USSR? At that time it was more about survival of our way of life. All individuals, Saddam, Osama, etc. were united against the USSR because it was in the best interest of all parties involved.

Sure the past between the US and Saddam is discussed often. Watch CNN? It comes up quite a bit. I just don't see how it's very relevant anymore.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by ktsnake

Sure the past between the US and Saddam is discussed often. Watch CNN? It comes up quite a bit. I just don't see how it's very relevant anymore.

Of course it's relevant. Isn't that why we take study history -- to learn from past mistakes?

And in that vein, I think everybody should read this article about the war

http://www.mndaily.com/article.php?id=5288

because it made me laugh. It's not exactly hard-hitting journalism, but I think it's entertaining nevertheless, just because it resembles so many many other debates I've had about the war.

[Bro2B]

Theoretically what some part of it boils down to for the EU is the question, "Is a preemptive war a just war?"

Here's two anecdotes.

Let me preface it by saying my credentials - I've graduated with a double major (B.S.) in Government and International Politics, concentration in international relations; and economics.

These anecdotes are about Saddam Hussein.

First, when he was Vice President of the Ba'th Party to Gen. Bakr in 1966, he did torture prisoners, in fact witness claim Saddam himself lifted one bound prisoner and dropped him in a tub of acid and watched his body dissolve. The veracity of this could be disputed since it was reported by Iraqi defectors but it of course could have happened.

Second, when Saddam was a young man he used to be a street vendor, and one frequent customer was an Iraqi Jew. He later encountered the man, who was a prisoner. Instead of torturing the man, when Saddam found out about his status, he barged into the room the man was about to be executed in, and ordered his release. The Iraqi Jew could not figure out why until two decades later when he realized Saddam was the young vendor he had bought cigarettes from and had tipped him well.

There are two sides to everything--that is my point, and to think your opinion is the one that should be universally shared is a very limited view and intellectually it just isn't good. If you want to present your opinion as an argument, then make a strong argument with evidence.

I'll continue to pray for the soldiers abroad in the conflict.

Two quotes:

"The true mark of an intelligent man is to hold two conflicting notions in his mind and debate them internally." - Thomas Edison

"I may not like what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

[AlphaGamDiva]

my sister sent this to me, so now i'll share it with you all:

"Trying to Help" by dennis miller

Here are 10 things to consider when voicing an opinion on this issue:

(1) Between President Bush and Saddam Hussein... Hussein is the bad guy.

(2) If you have faith in the United Nations to do the right thing, keep this in mind: the UN has Libya heading the committee on Human Rights and Iraq heading the Global Disarmament Committee. Do your own math.

(3) If you use a Google or Yahoo search and type in "French Military Victories," don't be surprised if your CPU panics at its inablility to respond to your inquiry.

(4) If your only anti-war slogan is "No War for Oil," hire a pit-bull attorney and sue your school district for having allowed you to slip through the cracks and robbing you of the minimum education that any non-troglodyte deserves.

(5) You can take this one to the bank: Saddam and bin Laden will NOT seek UN approval before they try to kill us.

(6) Despite the common belief among some, Martin Sheen is NOT the president. He only plays one on TV.

(7) If you are anti-war and even an outright "America Basher," to bin Laden you are still an "infidel" whom he wants dead.

(8) Be careful: if you believe in a "vast right-wing conspiracy," but not in the danger that Hussein poses, the only job you may be able to get is as an Ivy League college professor.

(9) Even multi-culturalists who try to browbeat us into believing that all cultures are equal deserving of respect have trouble explaining the past 500 years of Islam.

(10) Whether you are for or against military action, our young men and women overseas are fighting to defend our right to speak out on these very issues. They deserve our unreserved support.

I hope this helps. ...... (Dennis Miller).

with respect to all,
monica

[AOII_LB93]

I like the Dennis Miller list....how about that? Not bad. Mr. Miller.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by AOII_LB93
I like the Dennis Miller list....how about that? Not bad. Mr. Miller.

He can suck my left a$$ cheek.