Enna05's Recruitment at USC - Page 7

AXO_MOM_3 · #91 09-04-2002, 08:38 PM

Enna - I went through COB, and really enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere (compared to Formal) I hope everything goes well for you and please keep us posted!

RockChalk · #92 09-04-2002, 08:45 PM

Keep us posted, Enna! You'd be an asset to any organization.

33girl · #93 09-04-2002, 09:08 PM

Enna, definitely try and go for it with COB!! Sometimes things have a way of working out even if they take a lot of twists & turns on the way...

AlphaSigLana · #94 09-05-2002, 01:34 AM

Listen to 33girl-she gives great advice! I'm proud to call her a sister!!!!

bruinaphi · #95 09-05-2002, 03:56 AM

I think that it is really interesting that you are all so quick to jump on USC Panhellenic for what you consider unjust treatment of PNM's. While I agree that it would be great if we could place everyone in the system on every campus, it is my understanding that USC usually pledges the highest percentage of registered PNM's in the state each year.

A lot of you have PM'd me asking which chapters made quota. I don't think that it is my place to announce which chapters made quota at USC, but I will tell you that every group on campus had a FABULOUS recruitment. Each and every chapter on campus is doing very well and is a tribute to its national organization.

As for UCLA's policies on inviting back women who are released by all of the chapters, UCLA Panhellenic does not guarantee bids to anyone. There are women who wind up being dropped each year, some years more than others. Panhellenic cannot require chapters to invite women to Preference b/c everyone who attends Preference has to be on your bid list. I know that when I went through recruitment at UCLA the rho chis told us that if you went to all of your parties and didn't suicide it was virtually certain that you would receive a bid, but my best friend was dropped by all of the houses during recruitment. She just didn't rush well. She went through COB though and was invited to join several different groups. Some women don't do well in a formal rush setting but shine in COB. Enna, I think this is important for you to remember, especially b/c you have friends in several different chapters. COB is so much more casual and comfortable. Try it out, have a blast.

Floridagirl · #96 09-05-2002, 10:49 AM

I am really thrilled with the discussion that is going on. It shows our strength that we can critically look at ourselves and see where we can improve. Of course there will never be the perfect rush system. But I propose the following:
1. All panhells establish a courtesy invite system.
2. If a rushees plays by all the rules and does not suicide at pref then she gets a bid even if that house goes over quota. If a rushee goes to the maximum parties she gets invited to and pays the fee to rush then shouldn't she be guaranteed a bid to her pref house at the end? With computers and historical data we can determine the number of women that each house can invite to pref to be sure that houses don't go over quota by more than a couple.

Of course, some girls will drop out because they don't like their house selection. Also, unfortunately, some will get cut out. But I think the above 2 ideas are valid and fair.

Again, I didn't mean to bash USC. I have lots of friends and my brother who went there.

XOMichelle · #97 09-05-2002, 10:58 AM

Good luck to you with COB!
You should have gotten a bid in the first place. I hope they come to their senses and give you one now!
-M

XOMichelle · #98 09-05-2002, 11:15 AM

Hmm.. I have one counter point to bring up about all girls getting bids even if a house goes over quota.
Although I would love to see all girls get a bid, I do believe that quota exists for a reason, especially where there are big size differences in chapters. There are many chapters that by going over quota a little bit every year would crush the other, smaller chapters in numbers. You could try and even this out by not letting those chapters give extra bids if they are too large, but these rules already exist: chapters can COB until they are at campus total.
If you try and solve the numbers problem by requiring the smaller chapters give out extra bids, you take away their autonomy in choosing their members. I suppose you could let (not require) smaller chapters extend bids to girls who are not formally extended a bid after the lists have been compiled, but this is Snap Bidding and already exists as well.

Any thoughts?
-M

KDHoney · #99 09-05-2002, 11:25 AM

I agree that allowing groups to go over quota will create a huge problem. As a smaller chapter, we rely on the other groups only taking quota to at least keep the size somewhat in check. Also, I agree that we shouldn't be required to take girls on just because we're a smaller chapter. The system is imperfect, but with snap bidding and COB, chapters and PNMs retain some choice over where they want to go/who they want as members without letting numbers get out of control.

Floridagirl · #**100** 09-05-2002, 11:40 AM

Laura,
I agree I know nothing about the different panhell rules at different campuses.

What am proposing is that all panhells nationally set invite fiqures for pref on every campus for every sorority using historical data so that 1) the larger houses only take maybe 1 or 2 over quota and 2) when a rushee goes to a pref party and is exposed to the sentimentality of that event she gets a bid. I guess we can agree to disagree.

FYI: I was a rush advisor and colonized for my national.

Angels&Arrows · #**101** 09-05-2002, 11:48 AM

lauradav,

I feel you are just as quick to defend the system at USC.... When I do not think it is just the USC system that people are discussing. In the last two fall rushes, we have seen traditionally strong Greek systems have less then half their houses make quota. Fall 2002 Recruitment at UGA is one example... Another is FSU, last year Pi Phi did not make quota and this year Theta did not make quota; both of these houses have a strong history of being above campus ceiling and making quota during formal rush. At USM this fall recruitment four chapters out of eight did not make quota, all the chapters came within one or two NMs of making quota; but these are chapters who have made quota every year for the last 20 plus years. And now you are saying that only four houses at USC made quota... A school that according to the Daily Trojan did not had Spring recruitment for two years in the late 90’s, because all the houses made quota during Fall rush, putting them at or above campus total and only had three houses participate in Spring rush in 2000,. Then there are other schools like TX A&M, where people have posted that everyone made quota (for the first time in X years).

I think people are just curious, opening up discussions on how or what is being done at schools like A&M... and what went wrong at schools like UGA.

I have my theories in some instances... I think one problem is that chapters that traditionally held on to girls then dropped them before pref, leaving many PNMs without a pref party... Now are releasing too many too quickly with the release figures being followed... a balance needs to be found. In systems like UGA many houses are competing for the same 150-200 girls, with quota at 50+/-, and five houses competing, someone’s not going to make it. I am sure there are many theories, for which people wish to discuss; which, is one reason we post on GC. There is probably not a right answer, but maybe there is a “best out of the choices” answer. I can wager a guess that what works at Ole Miss, is not going to work at U of Maine.

Also, I understand not wanting to list those chapters that made quota or not... but out of defense of other GC and myself who PM’d you… It is not that we want to know who didn’t make quota, but rather did our GLO make quota. Yes, there are ways for us to find out, but since you seem to know, I am sure that people thought you would be the quickest contact.

In the Greek Bond,
A&As

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Originally posted by lauradav
I think that it is really interesting that you are all so quick to jump on USC Panhellenic for what you consider unjust treatment of PNM's.....

A lot of you have PM'd me asking which chapters made quota. I don't think that it is my place to announce which chapters made quota at USC, but I will tell you that every group on campus had a FABULOUS recruitment. Each and every chapter on campus is doing very well and is a tribute to its national organization.

bruinaphi · #**102** 09-05-2002, 12:40 PM

FloridaGirl,

I didn't say that you didn't know anything about the rules on other campuses, I said that you can't understand what happened on an individual campus until you've participated in their rules creation process. No one can.

I agree that we are having an open discussion about the problems with the system but I am being defensive of USC b/c they are being undeservedly bashed in the process. These problems exist at all large campuses.

Laura

PS: If you PM'd me about your chapter and didn't get a response please PM me again b/c I accidentally deleted several PM's last night before I had a chance to respond.

DeltaBetaBaby · #**103** 09-05-2002, 04:49 PM

There's a lot of talk about guaranteeing bids. That is RIDICULOUS. What if a girl didn't have grades? What if a girl was rude at every house? If you want to guarantee bids, she can be in your chapter, not mine.

FuzzieAlum · #**104** 09-05-2002, 05:13 PM

I don't agree that bids should be guaranteed either, but what I think they were saying, DeltaBaby, was that bids should be guaranteed to girls who made it through the preference round. If she didn't have grades or was rude to everyone, she ought to be cut long before preference (and the house crazy enough to invite her to pref probably deserves her!).

Floridagirl · #**105** 09-05-2002, 08:06 PM

Fuzzyalum, You are exactly right. Basically the houses shouldn't invite anyone to preference that they don't want to bid. It might be a different way of thinking for some panhells. Pref would not be simply another party round. It would be an invitation to join subject to bid matching.

Any woman that a house finds not a match would have to be cut earlier in the rush process. HOUSES WOULD NOT HAVE TO INVITE OR BID ANYONE THEY DON'T WANT.

This is my feeling anyway. I don't know how rejected I would have felt if, after being told by 2 sororities at pref how much they liked me, I had not received a bid from one.

We need to consider the negative public relations that this kind of situation can cause on campus. These women are on campus among the very pnms that we want. How insincere is it be told how wonderful you are at pref and then get no bid?

Does anyone else think this is a problem?