Rejected black rushee starts "multi-cultural" GLO at AL

[PotentialPledge]

Yes, racism stinks, and a lot of it is hidden. I think its hard for people that are not minorities to understand. For example, I have watched about 10 taxis go by before one stopped for me, the other taxis could be busy, but it could have something to do with me being a black male. When I was 12 I was accused of stealing a candy bar from a small mom and pop grocery store, sure they may assumed I stole it because I was young, or it may have been because I was black as well. Whos to say but I lean torwards the latter. The grocery store incident was my first experience with racism. Just thought I would share.

[Tom Earp]

I AM An Old White Male!


Is there Predudjice!

????

Already took my teeth out and put in the glass!

My Feelings of disrespect are not with the Members of GC as I have come to Know and love you all!

My Problem is with a person who is trying to tear up a thread!


Get in my butt, you will not be the Virgins of Plato!

I get very tired of many things as being of short retention span.

But bashing everyone is not in my way of endouring my many pals on this site!


???? DO ANYONE GET THE POINT?????



"If you are an asswhole, at least be a perfect asswhole"

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by neicy81



Quick question for you: Have you lived as a black person or as me in any of the states?

Damasa is black.....






Below the belt!

[James]

Ok you totally lost me on this one . . . Way over my head.

Originally posted by PM_Mama00



Damasa is black.....






Below the belt!

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by James
Ok you totally lost me on this one . . . Way over my head.

I believe she means as in WELL-ENDOWED (as in the stereotype)

[starang21]

Originally posted by hoosier
Are you in favor of a rule against dressing up for Halloween?

For a party in your own home?

Sure, it would be bad if they dressed up like/insulted minorities, and paraded thru the campus center, and down the street in front of the black GLO - BUT THEY DIDN'T.

Nobody knew about this until an outside photographer stupidly posted pictures in the www.

These Auburn chapters were the latest victims of campus PC, and I'm glad they hired lawyers and preserved our right to dress up on Halloween.

so let me get this straight, blackface and nooses is just clean fun? that's news to me. why was it stupid that the photographer published the pics? they hired him for that. if it was just clean fun, then it wasn't stupid.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Bama_Alumna


One of the fraternities in question had old shirts that a member of the NPHC fraternity had given them. One of the reasons that the penalty wasn't too severe is that the NPHC fraternity had voluntarily given them the shirts.

(I have a close friend who just graduated from Auburn, is an NPC sorority member and knows men from this fraternity. That is where I got this information.)

i highly doubt that. the que's giving their letters to another organization? right, that'll be the day.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Bama_Alumna


One of the fraternities in question had old shirts that a member of the NPHC fraternity had given them. One of the reasons that the penalty wasn't too severe is that the NPHC fraternity had voluntarily given them the shirts.

(I have a close friend who just graduated from Auburn, is an NPC sorority member and knows men from this fraternity. That is where I got this information.)

i highly doubt that. the que's giving their letters to another organization? right, that'll be the day. if someone who's not frat was wearing my letters, their taking if off, or i'm taking it off them.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974


I believe she means as in WELL-ENDOWED (as in the stereotype)

Oh, now I get it. He has a big d*ck or something?

[PotentialPledge]

Yup this is a stereotype.

[phikappapsiman]

Originally posted by PotentialPledge
Yup this is a stereotype.

But remember...

ALL sterotypes are based somewhat upon a certain truth!!!

But seriously...

I LOVE reading posts like this! It really makes me realize how fortunate I am that I attended a university that this kind of discussion happened back in the 1950's. Here we are in 2002, and people are still up in arms about racism and about "who didn't get in because of his/her skin color". When I sit here and look at my fraternity composite on my wall, and see African-American, Asian-American, Hispanics, Jewish, Native-American, and maybe even an Hindu or two, I realize how lucky I am. Because each of my brothers has taught me something different that I will treasure for the rest of my life. I have been to a Passover dinner, observed the beginning of Ramadam, celebrated Chinese New Year, had authentic Mexican food at the home of one of my brothers, as well as enjoyed an extremely WASP'y Thankgiving dinner at the home of one of the more affluent brothers (and that was a sight to behold-I think that I was the first black man to ever sit down to dinner with them!).

It really doesn't matter who's right here, because the simple fact of the matter can be summed up in a quote by a man who had extensive knowledge of life in Alabama:

"...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere..."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

As long as even something so minute as fraternity/sorority rush can have this affect on so many people, and can stir such emotion, things are not better, nor will they be for a long time. Thank you all for sharing your feelings, and making me realize how important true brotherhood is to me...

[zchi2]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00

I live in Detroit, always have. The only way I've ever seen it segregated is that the not so nicer areas are mostly minorities, and the other areas are mostly whites, with few minorities. Like it or not, that's the way it is. Whites in Detroit don't choose to be segregated, it's just that if they have money then why live in the projects? Same goes for anyone of any color.

I really wasn't going to do this but since everyone wants to jump down Neicy's throat for every little word she says, I have to get some things straight about this comment that was made. PM_Mama you live in Detroit? Or do you live in the suburbs that surround Detroit? I'm sorry but the city of Detroit is less than 10 percent white (probably less than 5 percent white) And YES whites did choose to segregate themselves from the black people. If you look at the history of Detroit, as soon as black people started to move in the neighborhoods, the white people moved out. And if you are saying that the black neighborhoods are the projects, then I guess Detroit is one big project, because white people tried to get as far away from black people as possible.

I'm sorry to get off of the subject, but from the looks of it NO ONE is staying on the subject at all on this thread which is really getting on my nerves. For the record I just want to say that I agree that Alabama is ONE of the racist states in America. Neicy didn't say it was THE RACIST, she just said it was one of them. My mother's family was born and raised in Alabama and one of the reasons why they left to come to Detroit was because of the racism. Even though Alabama has improved since then, whenever my family goes and visit, they encounter more racism in one week than I had to endure my entire life. But anyway....

CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD!!

[uluvdisRED]

I LIVE in Detroit, not AROUND Detroit, but smack dab on the west side. Detroit is one of the most segregated cities peroid. It's not from lack of beautiful neighborhoods. To be honest, my "minority" neighborhood is nicer than anything you will see in Southgate (which is three cities and a township away). Which is probally why non-minorities are moving back in droves. Example: When was the last time you drove through East English Villiage or Indian Village?

Back to the topic:
What alarms me the most is how anyone can view the UA "situation" as anything funny, or make light of it. Even if my Bruhs gave those boys anything with their letters on (which I am positive they did not) does that condone the act or the connotation?

[Bama_Alumna]

No, I was not at Alabama nor do I know M. Twilley, so she could, in fact, be a girl with a bad rep. However, I would challenge anyone, especially you, bama_alumna, to say that that same description could not apply to even one girl in your own chapter.

The bad rep wasn't the only reason she wasn't given a bid. In fact, it was the third strike against her. (Please note that, as an alumna, I did not vote during 2001 recruitment. What I report here is only what I observed.)

The first and foremost reason that she was cut my my house is that she was a junior. We don't, as a general rule, take juniors. We usually don't take many sophomores, either. Sometimes there will be 2-3 sophs in a pledge class. Is this a fair practice? Probably not, but rush at Alabama is extremely competitive and we can make quota and house total without taking older rushees. I don't think there are any houses at UA that will take juniors during formal recruitment, unless the girl is outstanding (has a 4.0 or better GPA and/or is Miss Alabama or something). There are probably 3 or 4 houses that will consider juniors during COB. The reason for this is that it's better for the longevity & continuity of our chapter to take girls who will be there for 4 years. I know that there are threads here at GC that encourage juniors/seniors to go through rush. I think that is fine and that they could probably make outstanding members. Many schools' greek systems aren't as competitive as Alabama's, and a junior may have no trouble getting a bid at a different school. I would not encourage a junior to go through rush at UA unless she has nerves of steel and doesn't mind being cut very heavily. I would tell her that she should find out which houses COB and focus her concentration on those houses.

The second strike against M.T. is that she was rude. She basically told my sister which house she wanted to belong to. While my sister was talking to her, she looked at the floor. She was extremely uninterested in our house. That would have gotten any other rushee cut as well. In fact, we did cut other women who were disinterested. We can only invite back so many people and if we invite back a woman who has blatantly indicated that she wants to join another house, that closes the spot for someone else who might be really interested in joining us. Melody also made some other rude comments, which I will not get into here. I'm not sure that I can disclose *specifics* about rush conversation.
I would also like to add here that most of the women in our house had met Melody prior to her going through NPC recruitment. She does not give the impression of being a nice person. This, also, would have caused anyone to be cut.
The bad reputation is the third strike. It also ties in with the other women having already met Melody through classes, etc. But not only did they have a bad impression of her, the entire NPC/IFC system had a bad impression of her. Why? Because she went to the press the summer before going through recruitment and called us all racists. All of those stories that got picked up by the AP wire... just imagine if someone went to the press, gave an interview, and said that everyone in your house was a jerk or a bitch or (insert your own insult here), and made you all look bad on a national level. It's very insulting and it doesn't make you want to like that person. Also, it was widely rumored that a particularly anti-greek professor had put Melody up to rushing to prove a point. I don't know if that is true, but when he was asked about this, he would not deny the rumor.

Many hundreds of women go through rush at UA every fall and some of those women don't get bids. Some don't get bids because of their appearance. Some don't get bids because of their age. Some of them don't get bids because they have a bad reputation. Some don't get bids because they come into the houses and announce that they can't afford the dues and they are only going through rush to meet people. Some don't get bids because they fall through the cracks during bid matching. There are a lot of reasons that people get dropped, and the vast majority of them aren't fair. Many of these women can pursue COB or spring rush and will eventually get into a house. Some of them won't.

And yes, I'm sure that there are girls in our house who have not-so-nice reputations. Every house seems to have a few... the difference here is that they didn't have these bad reps going into rush. If they have done something to gain a bad rep on campus after being initiated, they are pulled up to a standards committee and can have their membership terminated.

I also want to clarify that the situation with the IFC fraternity men wearing shirts from an NPHC fraternity took place at Auburn U, not UA. Big difference there, as any football fan can tell you.
And, again to clarify, I was TOLD that men from the NPHC fraternity had given their shirts to the IFC men. I don't know if that is true, but it is what I was told by people who were there. I am not condoning what they did, I was just reporting what I was told. Furthermore, to the person who said that NPHC members don't give their letters away, you should walk through a thrift store here.... you can get block letters, T-shirts, embroidered polos, etc. with just about any letters you like. I'm not saying that you should buy them or wear them if you aren't a member, but it does happen. I saw a homeless guy wearing a Theta bid day shirt a couple of years ago.

To everyone: I am very interested to hear your throughts on exactly how the University of Alabama can integrate its greek system. If black students aren't interested in going through rush, how do we give them a bid? How do we make black women go through NPC recruitment? How is it wrong that we didn't pledge Melody when we cut her for the same reasons we cut dozens of white women? I agree that it's sad that the University can count its minority members of NPC/IFC groups, but until there are black students attempting to gain entry, I don't see how we can force them to join! If you can explain these things to me and formulate a reasonable solution to the problem, I'd be happy to take your suggestions to the greek life office at UA. I'm sure they'd be glad to hear that forced integration among social groups is that easy. Heck, they'd probably put you on the payroll.

[zchi2]

I think that the way to get more of a diverse greek system, the IFC and PHC at University of Alabama should look at how other schools who have a diverse greek system do recuitment. But do the sororities and fraternities at your former school really want a diverse greek atmosphere or are they happy the way things are right now.

I don't know if Christina Houston (one of the biracial women apart of the greek system at UA) is trying to get more minorities to come out to Rush, but after hearing that her sister use the *n* word, I know I wouldn't be rushing to be apart of that system. Who knows what other racial slurs people use there.... I think before people start to try to get minorities to join (they would only be doing that just to say they have a diverse system)the people in the IFC and PHC at UA should go through extensive diversity training.