Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Are you serious? It's not about caring enough -- he can make NINE phone calls and most likely get all the information he needs! LAZY!

I understand your point of view. And for sake of discussion, lets say that perhaps he is lazy. So what? Is it oldu's responsibility to provide the list?

If someone really cares enough about that information being on GC, instead on complaining that no one has yet to provide it for you (the general you), then either start your own list or (genuinely) offer to assist with the research.

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Most, if not all, social GLOs list scholarship among their purposes.

True. And that appreciation for scholarship is what enables me to further appreciate that when one presents research, one is prepared to explain and defend it without resorting to namecalling. Appreciating scholarship means asking questions and seeking clarification, not just taking something at face value.

He was asked to provide his working definition of the word "elite." As far as I can tell, not only did he never define that term, but he called those who questioned it "rude." Nothing scholarly about behavior like that...

ETA: I do appreciate the time that oldu puts into these lists and I have found some of them to be very interesting. But I also think that people have asked some very legitimate questions that deserve to be addressed.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I understand your point of view. And for sake of discussion, lets say that perhaps he is lazy. So what? Is it oldu's responsibility to provide the list?

If someone really cares enough about that information being on GC, instead on complaining that no one has yet to provide it for you (the general you), then either start your own list or (genuinely) offer to assist with the research.

I (the specific I) have provided the best way to obtain the information.

But for the record -- did anyone really care that much about the information being presented on ANY of the councils?

If you're going to have a thread as general as "Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools" and not qualify it as being about WHITE GLOS only (yes, I said it, and for a reason), then yes, oldu should be held to a standard of doing research on just nine more orgs and making it complete.

Hell, several of the NPHCs are older than some of the NICs and NPCS.

And let's not get into Phi Beta Kappa schools where there are ONLY NPHC orgs.

[MaryAmanda]

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

He was asked to provide his working definition of the word "elite." As far as I can tell, not only did he never define that term, but he called those who questioned it "rude." Nothing scholarly about behavior like that...

ETA: I do appreciate the time that oldu puts into these lists and I have found some of them to be very interesting. But I also think that people have asked some very legitimate questions that deserve to be addressed.

QFE

I call to question any definition of "elite" that includes Agnes Scott and excludes Georgia Tech. No offense to my Scottie friends, but give me a break, y'all.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by MaryAmanda

QFE

I call to question any definition of "elite" that includes Agnes Scott and excludes Georgia Tech. No offense to my Scottie friends, but give me a break, y'all.

wait, he did what?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I (the specific I) have provided the best way to obtain the information.

Yes, you were kind enough to offer suggestions. As such, perhaps oldu is currently working on it.

But for the record -- did anyone really care that much about the information being presented on ANY of the councils?

For the record, I doubt it. But as has already been said by others: "It's just some observations to chat about."

If you're going to have a thread as general as "Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools" and not qualify it as being about WHITE GLOS only (yes, I said it, and for a reason), then yes, oldu should be held to a standard of doing research on just nine more orgs and making it complete.

I agree that it is unfortunate that the original post was not qualified - i.e. "White GLOs".

Hell, several of the NPHCs are older than some of the NICs and NPCS.

And let's not get into Phi Beta Kappa schools where there are ONLY NPHC orgs.

True. I may be in the minority here, but I would find the information on NPHCs and Phi Beta Kappa schools interesting as well - more observations to chat about.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

Surely the data show a pattern. If there's really no relationship between PBK chapters and some social GLOs, then you wouldn't expect to see such massive variation among the GLOs in one conference. You'd expect to see a large number of groups around the mean and a few outliers at the top and bottom of the scale. But you don't see that -- not even close. In fact, there's a statistically remarkable clustering of a few groups that have huge PBK overlap. There's clearly a non-random association between (for example) KKG and PBK, and that is of interest even when the data themselves say nothing about the cause. That's where the chat comes in.

And I don't deny the fact that this might be interesting statistically, but my point still stands; and to my original point I will add that the concept of "elite" is relative.

[tallgreekalum]

Alpha Delt has 26 chapters in the US (3 in Canada). Two (Chapman and Northeastern) do not have PBK chapters. 90%, if my math is right.

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by Scully

LOL. If you're going to get technical, the NCAA is not the governing body of Intercollegiate Equestrian. The Intercollegiate Horse Show Association, or IHSA, is. It was developed by Bob Cacchione in 1967... http://www.ihsainc.com/ I rode all 4 years at school and still am actively involved as an alum

ETA: Sorry! I apologize This is different from what I am involved in... http://www.varsityequestrian.com/ In my university, we were considered a club and did not have varsity status.

Just for shits and giggles, 18 out of 28 in Alpha Delt That's a lot of horse puckie

[tallgreekalum]

How about Quiz Bowl teams next?

[Benzgirl]

Bash me if you want, but what I will say was with good heart and naivety.

I was doing some research of the GLOs at my Alma Mater throughout the past 100 years. When it came to NPHCs, I found it difficult to trace. What I didn't realize was that they typically were not chapters of the university per se, but city-wide chapters.

Since I have had trouble tracking their presence at just one school, I can imagine how difficult it is tracking it over numerous schools.

BTW...if anyone can direct me where to find the information, please PM me.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer

True. And that appreciation for scholarship is what enables me to further appreciate that when one presents research, one is prepared to explain and defend it without resorting to namecalling. Appreciating scholarship means asking questions and seeking clarification, not just taking something at face value.

He was asked to provide his working definition of the word "elite." As far as I can tell, not only did he never define that term, but he called those who questioned it "rude." Nothing scholarly about behavior like that...

ETA: I do appreciate the time that oldu puts into these lists and I have found some of them to be very interesting. But I also think that people have asked some very legitimate questions that deserve to be addressed.

For the record, I'm in agreement with ThetaDancer, especially the part I put into bold print in regards to this thread.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

oldu does a lot of work compiling these threads and I enjoy them. He stated that he would include NPHC groups if he had an accurate list. I think he's being more than accomodating.

I call bullshat on that. Even when the topic didn't require an actual list but rather a knowledge of the history of GLOs, he didn't include NPHC orgs.

He does a lot of work to compile these threads and he doesn't include NPHC orgs. Ever. That's how he's able to talk about the best of times and the worst of times without even a "sidebar" of how his synopsis isn't all encompassing.

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

oldu, I understand the correlation and really appreciate you putting up with all this!

Putting up with all of what? And what would he be doing if he wasn't "putting up with this?" Not post? Remind us of how rude and angry we are. Ha.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by starang21

so i'm lazy. is there a point to be proven?

No.

Hewwo.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I understand your point of view. And for sake of discussion, lets say that perhaps he is lazy. So what? Is it oldu's responsibility to provide the list?

Is it oldu's responsibility to do anything that he continues to do? He's become the dondada of GLO history on GC. Somehow.

Originally Posted by TSteven

If someone really cares enough about that information being on GC

We generally don't and more than likely won't be investing in a list soley for the purpose of GC.

But since someone continues to volunteer these random threads, we can comment on the exclusion.