Most chapters at Phi Beta Kappa schools

[Low C Sharp]

I guess I don't see the need for PBK to be a "flawless" measure of liberal arts academic quality for the list to be of interest. Ok, so it has flaws -- so what? I mean, we're not here to divide grant money among these institutions or do anything of any consequence. We're just chatting on a chat board. Let's suppose the PBK list has 75% overlap with the institutions I would consider the top 300 in the country for liberal arts. That's accurate enough to hold my attention for 10 minutes, which is all a chat board thread is supposed to do.

The appearance of specific social greek orgs on the same campus as PBK ultimately proves nothing about either organization, which is what most people seem to be pointing out.

Surely the data show a pattern. If there's really no relationship between PBK chapters and some social GLOs, then you wouldn't expect to see such massive variation among the GLOs in one conference. You'd expect to see a large number of groups around the mean and a few outliers at the top and bottom of the scale. But you don't see that -- not even close. In fact, there's a statistically remarkable clustering of a few groups that have huge PBK overlap. There's clearly a non-random association between (for example) KKG and PBK, and that is of interest even when the data themselves say nothing about the cause. That's where the chat comes in.

I'm not an NPC or IFC member and I don't have any agenda to promote one GLO relative to the rest. Anyway, why does a thread need to "prove" anything to be of interest? It's just some observations to chat about.
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[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

I guess I don't see the need for PBK to be a "flawless" measure of liberal arts academic quality for the list to be of interest. Ok, so it has flaws -- so what? I mean, we're not here to divide grant money among these institutions or do anything of any consequence. We're just chatting on a chat board. Let's suppose the PBK list has 75% overlap with the institutions I would consider the top 300 in the country for liberal arts. That's accurate enough to hold my attention for 10 minutes, which is all a chat board thread is supposed to do.

And promote discussion, which is all that has happened here. If everyone just read and didn't comment it would be a very boring message board.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Low C Sharp

Surely the data show a pattern. If there's really no relationship between PBK chapters and some social GLOs, then you wouldn't expect to see such massive variation among the GLOs in one conference. You'd expect to see a large number of groups around the mean and a few outliers at the top and bottom of the scale. But you don't see that -- not even close. In fact, there's a statistically remarkable clustering of a few groups that have huge PBK overlap. There's clearly a non-random association between (for example) KKG and PBK, and that is of interest even when the data themselves say nothing about the cause. That's where the chat comes in.

And I don't deny the fact that this might be interesting statistically, but my point still stands; and to my original point I will add that the concept of "elite" is relative.