Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[Wonderful1908]

This is amazing I believe it would be no contest between him and John Mccain so the thought that we are seriousy on the brink of an African American president it so awesome!

[AKA2D '91]

It's awesome and it's scary. It's still THEIR world. We haven't overcome fully...YET! Even if/when Obama wins, he'll still become someone's puppet. This election isn't any different than any other election local, state or national. Those who pull in the money will be the one the candidate will align himself or herself with. Is Ms. O his biggest backer? In one week, Obama raised $7million dollars or so. Who were the donors? He may win the election, but who really wins the power?

[mccoyred]

I came across this one today that provides more detail and the results of one person's research... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20.../807/36/458633. I would love to find the time to do this kind of digging....

[Wonderful1908]

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91

It's awesome and it's scary. It's still THEIR world. We haven't overcome fully...YET! Even if/when Obama wins, he'll still become someone's puppet. This election isn't any different than any other election local, state or national. Those who pull in the money will be the one the candidate will align himself or herself with. Is Ms. O his biggest backer? In one week, Obama raised $7million dollars or so. Who were the donors? He may win the election, but who really wins the power?

So true soror!!!

[darling1]

i think that because mccain has a lot of widespread appeal reaching alot of moderate folks, obama may have a tough time. the fact that we are still in a war still may be a large enough factor to pull folks toward mccain.

both candidates can unify this country. it will be pretty close.

Originally Posted by Wonderful1908

This is amazing I believe it would be no contest between him and John Mccain so the thought that we are seriousy on the brink of an African American president it so awesome!

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by darling1

i think that because mccain has a lot of widespread appeal reaching alot of moderate folks, obama may have a tough time. the fact that we are still in a war still may be a large enough factor to pull folks toward mccain.

both candidates can unify this country. it will be pretty close.

time will indeed tell, but look at the factors already in play:

In their respective primary races, D primary voters are outvoting their R counterparts by large margins. I think I read in the Wisconsin primary, Obama received more total votes than McCain and Huckabee combined did in the R primary. ...separating out what it means for the individual popularity of a candidate, particularly if the D primary ends within a few weeks or so, these trends seem to indicate that Democrats are more enthusiastic, and perhaps more likely to show up at the polls in Nov.

Both Obama and McCain will battle for independents. We can all guess about who'll win that. However at this relatively late date, McCain still has a lot of disaffection with the conservative base of his party. They will likely come back to him by November, but who can say in what numbers? particulary if he's in a pitched battle with Obama for independents. McCain is in the weakest position I've seen a Rep. candidate enter the fall election in quite a while.

What decides elections is, of course, a home-by-home decision, but it appears the economy and Iraq will be the dominant issues. Neither of which bode well for Repubs at present.

[KAPital PHINUst]

I have a question for all of you Obama supporters reading:

What is it about Obama's issues that you find so appealing? I am asking because those who I have asked about his stance on the issues couldn't give me a definitive answer that told me what he would do if he was elected. Most responses alluded to him bringing back jobs, bringing change (but could not elaborate on what those changes involved) or simply the fact that he was black.

I have been getting more emails and e-vites to attend Obama-oriented events, and I am really trying to find out why I should get behind Obama or what he is really all about because all I am hearing is empty soundbites with no substance to support it

Please help me out with this.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

[COLOR=darkred]I have a question for all of you Obama supporters reading:[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]What is it about Obama's issues that you find so appealing? I am asking because those who I have asked about his stance on the issues couldn't give me a definitive answer that told me what he would do if he was elected. Most responses alluded to him bringing back jobs, bringing change (but could not elaborate on what those changes involved) or simply the fact that he was black.[/]

[COLOR=#8b0000]I have been getting more emails and e-vites to attend Obama-oriented events, and I am really trying to find out why I should get behind Obama or what he is really all about because all I am hearing is empty soundbites with no substance to support it.[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]Please help me out with this.

So if you haven't heard anything of substance from Obama's own mouth, there is nothing that an Obama supporter can say to you that will make you hear what you already say you haven't heard (does that make sense?).

When it came to the Bush re-election, I felt like shaking people and asking them WHY? Why let this man continue to lead our country? Why let him seduce us with his so-called "religious" rhetoric? But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions and no, they don't have to share them with anyone.

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

And I'm not speaking as an Obama supporter because I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I have been very objective thus far and I can honestly see what each candidate (including McCain) brings to the table and they all have something to offer in my opinion. It's just a matter of what's most important to each person.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So if you haven't heard anything of substance from Obama's own mouth, there is nothing that an Obama supporter can say to you that will make you hear what you already say you haven't heard (does that make sense?).

When it came to the Bush re-election, I felt like shaking people and asking them WHY? Why let this man continue to lead our country? Why let him seduce us with his so-called "religious" rhetoric? But at the end of the day, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions and no, they don't have to share them with anyone.

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

And I'm not speaking as an Obama supporter because I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I have been very objective thus far and I can honestly see what each candidate (including McCain) brings to the table and they all have something to offer in my opinion. It's just a matter of what's most important to each person.

Nevertheless, you posts and points made herein was well said.

Thanks for responding.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

So let the Obama supporters feel how they feel about him. Maybe he inspires them and gives them hope which may be why people are inviting you to attend his events so you can experience him as opposed to simply watching and listening from a distance. For some people, this is all they need and is just what they need to feel that they too can start to make a difference. While it might sound sappy, Obama's right when he says that it starts with us and it always has but somewhere along the way many of us got comfortable and forgot about the shoulders we're standing on. Many of Obama's supporters believe that he hasn't forgotten and this is what makes him so appealing to them. Also, who says that it should ONLY be about what a candidate has already done as opposed to what they are inspired to do and are capable of doing?

For some, this is just enough, that his campaign inspires them reinvest in the democratic process after years of being disillusioned by the system.

[KAPital PHINUst]

After some research, reflection, and thinking, I think that even though Obama seems like a model presidential candidate, I decided to go with my gut feeling and vote for who I most believed in and who I thought truly cared most about the fate about our nation.

I voted for Ron Paul.


(I didn't see anywhere in the thread where discussion was limited to presidential candidates, hence the following):

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

[ladylike]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

You're a Republican? And a graduate of Central State? Ryon might be a little more palatable than Tiberi. I think Tiberi has been around too long.

It was nice to see lots of people out at the polls in my neighborhood (early) this morning.

There's speculation that Ohio results won't be (definitively) known until the end of this week/beginning of next week.

[mccoyred]

Farewell, Ron Paul

ABC News has learned that Ron Paul has, at last, decided to officially drop out of the race for the Republican nomination.
http://news.aol.com/political-machin...well-ron-paul/

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

After some research, reflection, and thinking, I think that even though Obama seems like a model presidential candidate, I decided to go with my gut feeling and vote for who I most believed in and who I thought truly cared most about the fate about our nation.

I voted for Ron Paul.


(I didn't see anywhere in the thread where discussion was limited to presidential candidates, hence the following):

I also decided to vote for David Ryon for my local Congressman, as his values were very similar to that of Ron Paul, and best of all his stance on the issues would most directly impact me, and that my letters and concerns to him would be least likely to be ignored. Frankly I am not impressed with Pat Tiberi and I hope Ryon stomps him in the general election.

ETA: David Ryon is also a graduate of Central State University

[SummerChild]

KAP,

Did you get a chance to view any of the debates? They may be on YouTube or another site. It might be a good opportunity to hear from Obama from his own mouth. Other than that, I imagine if you research his website, his positions may also be discussed.
Re whether he talks in soundbites or just makes high-level statements. I have found his statements to be just as detailed as Hillary's or any other politicians with the limited time that they have to answer questions such as at debates.

Why don't you just go to the Obama function and see for yourself?
If you have the time and it's not a huge inconvenience for you, there probably wouldn't be any harm to doing so. At worst, I don't think that you will find it a waste of your time. At best, you might even decide to become an Obama supporter.

SC

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

[COLOR=darkred]I have a question for all of you Obama supporters reading:[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]What is it about Obama's issues that you find so appealing? I am asking because those who I have asked about his stance on the issues couldn't give me a definitive answer that told me what he would do if he was elected. Most responses alluded to him bringing back jobs, bringing change (but could not elaborate on what those changes involved) or simply the fact that he was black.[/

[COLOR=#8b0000]I have been getting more emails and e-vites to attend Obama-oriented events, and I am really trying to find out why I should get behind Obama or what he is really all about because all I am hearing is empty soundbites with no substance to support it

[COLOR=#8b0000]Please help me out with this.[/

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

KAP,

Did you get a chance to view any of the debates? They may be on YouTube or another site. It might be a good opportunity to hear from Obama from his own mouth. Other than that, I imagine if you research his website, his positions may also be discussed.
Re whether he talks in soundbites or just makes high-level statements. I have found his statements to be just as detailed as Hillary's or any other politicians with the limited time that they have to answer questions such as at debates.

Why don't you just go to the Obama function and see for yourself?
If you have the time and it's not a huge inconvenience for you, there probably wouldn't be any harm to doing so. At worst, I don't think that you will find it a waste of your time. At best, you might even decide to become an Obama supporter.

SC

Both candidates have detailed policy statements on their websites...