Hazing -- Good or bad? - Page 6

LaneSig · #76 09-28-2006, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

When I think of hazing I think of mostly lineups (PT). There are also kidnappings, mind games, scavenger hunts, interviews, formal intros, etc. Never are the pledges beat in any way, made to drink excessive alcohol, or anything stupid along those lines.

Let me ask you non-hazing moguls a question. You all agree that learning history, respecting the house, respecting actives, behaving and dressing like a gentleman, etc are all important aspects of pledging. What are the onsequences if your pledges don't learn all the history? Fail tests? Have a lack of respect? What are the consequences for them not doing what you ask?

We booted their butts out if they didn't learn or didn't pass the tests. We had a couple of pledges get drunk and purposefully damage things in the house. We booted them out.

Tom Earp · #77 09-28-2006, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

They aren't initiated. Or they're depledged. If you don't want to learn the history and you fail the test, you probably don't want to be there bad enough.

Thank you, something that made sense and I can agree with on your point!

jon1856 · #78 09-28-2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig

We booted their butts out if they didn't learn or didn't pass the tests. We had a couple of pledges get drunk and purposefully damage things in the house. We booted them out.

I have to agree with Tom, LaneSig and BON AlphaFrog on this.....IIRC the main points of pledgeship is for all parties involved to get to know, understand, and trust each other. If something is not working, and is not fixable in anyway, shape or form, you would ge rid of it.

Just like in real world, if someone at work for some reason is just no working out and every attempt is made to fix problem......

Tom Earp · #79 09-28-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

I don't think we missed something.....I just think that there are FAR too many people on this site that automatically think something God awful horrible when the word "hazing" gets brought up. I think a list might have been in order to express some positives that can come out of the right kind of "hazing."

It gets fairly old hearing Earp and DA bark about things being illegal/against nationals/raising insurance costs etc. etc.........so I figured I'd try to explain from my point of view.

I just think that pledges should earn the right to be a member. I think that allowing them a free pass to initiation a month after they sign a bid card is horrible and bad for a chapter as a whole (I say this because I know of some chapters that do exactly this.) The "new school" attitute of having New Members, Associate Members, etc. etc. just doesn't fly too well with me.

While it may fairly old hearing DA and I , it is still to true and has been proven to many times.

If you check, DTD and LXA have either suspended, sanctioned Chapters of many sizes. You may also see that some have been closed.

A lot would depend on The Fraterity who has nerve enough to close a very strong and violating Chapter.

Sure, money from Alums means a lot, but, does the reputation of the Fraternity mean more. There is the internet, phones etc.

adpiucf · #80 09-28-2006, 05:40 PM

I don't see why you should have to earn anything other than a diploma and a decent job. Kidnappings? Drinking mystery concoctions? Sounds like a five year old's dream-come-true for passage into his special tree house. I thought Greeks were supposed to be men and women, not children.

Can you imagine being hazed at the office? "Hey Johnson, if you want health insurance, you're going to have to EARN it. So do 500 jumping jacks in the rain and drink this entire bottle of SoCo! Then maybe we'll talk about bringing you on full time."

DSTCHAOS · #81 09-28-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

I don't see why you should have to earn anything other than a diploma and a decent job. Kidnappings? Drinking mystery concoctions? Sounds like a five year old's dream-come-true for passage into his special tree house. I thought Greeks were supposed to be men and women, not children.

Can you imagine being hazed at the office? "Hey Johnson, if you want health insurance, you're going to have to EARN it. So do 500 jumping jacks in the rain and drink this entire bottle of SoCo! Then maybe we'll talk about bringing you on full time."

Hazing is part of human nature from childhood throughout adulthood. There are just different extremes that people on GC like to go on tangents about. The more common forms of hazing happen in almost every facet of life and go virtually unnoticed or unchallenged. There are very few places in our lives that don't require us to not only bust our butts to get there but to also bust our butts to remain there. Perhaps the avenues through which we achieve our social positions don't REALLY require all this butt busting, but we do it because it's a right of passage that others have endured and we're told the hard work will pay off. It's typically called things like "playing the game," "being political," or "fitting in." Most of it can technically be hazing, though.

People are hazed in the office through things such as:

1) "busy work"
2) not being invited to certain post office hours gatherings (b/c you have to EARN the right to mingle with the office clique or chum it up with the CEO and his people)
3) not getting the promotion because so-and-so plays office politics better
4) some graduate programs and employers have strict regulations regarding who can receive health insurance. These regulations are often just a weeding out process to force people to be productive. Many of these programs and employers could fund everyone if they chose to.

Of course there are "excuses" as to why the aforementioned policies and practices are in place. Just like how I can justify most forms of hazing by saying it fulfills a purpose and serves the greater good.

greekalum · #82 09-28-2006, 05:54 PM

Other hazing in the office may include putting someone's stapler in jello, from what I see on tv.

adpiucf · #83 09-28-2006, 05:57 PM

You took my work analogy wayyyyy too seriously.

DSTCHAOS · #84 09-28-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum

Other hazing in the office may include putting someone's stapler in jello, from what I see on tv.

I know you're trying to be funny but things like that actually do happen.

DSTCHAOS · #85 09-28-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

You took my work analogy wayyyyy too seriously.

No. You were trying to make a point by using an extreme analogy.

I responded to your point (not your analogy) by telling you that you have no point.

ShamikaT · #86 09-28-2006, 06:04 PM

Yall, hazing can be off the hook!

The shit they did to us when I pledged my first org, was a hot mess. It pissed me the hell off. But, looking back I LMAO!

-They made us get our hair did, and then dunked our heads in a washing machine...in mid-cycle!
-They made us do humiliating tests. Instead of doing the pencil test, they gave us miniture dildos. If we passed the test (meaning yo boobs sag down too low), we had to down five packages of strawberry-lemonade koolaide. Yall know that shit is sour in powder form
-One of my line sisters got all sassy with an active once. The active got a bag of dill pickles and slapped her upside the head with it. She got knocked the fuck out. SHE.GOT.KNOCKED.THE.FUCK.OUT!

DSTCHAOS · #87 09-28-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ShamikaT

Yall, hazing can be off the hook!

The shit they did to us when I pledged my first org, was a hot mess. It pissed me the hell off. But, looking back I LMAO!

-They made us get our hair did, and then dunked our heads in a washing machine...in mid-cycle!
-They made us do humiliating tests. Instead of doing the pencil test, they gave us miniture dildos. If we passed the test (meaning yo boobs sag down too low), we had to down five packages of strawberry-lemonade koolaide. Yall know that shit is sour in powder form
-One of my line sisters got all sassy with an active once. The active got a bag of dill pickles and slapped her upside the head with it. She got knocked the fuck out. SHE.GOT.KNOCKED.THE.FUCK.OUT!

Yeah sure.

Anyway, you are one person who I would condone receiving the rinse cycle. Might set your mind right.

greekalum · #88 09-28-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I know you're trying to be funny but things like that actually do happen.

And I maintain that it is hilarious when they do.

DSTCHAOS · #89 09-28-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum

And I maintain that it is hilarious when they do.

Indeed.

But for the purpose of this thread: "Hazing in all shapes and forms is hurtful and never okay."

macallan25 · #90 09-28-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

While it may fairly old hearing DA and I , it is still to true and has been proven to many times.

If you check, DTD and LXA have either suspended, sanctioned Chapters of many sizes. You may also see that some have been closed.

A lot would depend on The Fraterity who has nerve enough to close a very strong and violating Chapter.

Sure, money from Alums means a lot, but, does the reputation of the Fraternity mean more. There is the internet, phones etc.

Show me where a fraternity has been suspended or have had their charter pulled because of the things that I listed..........I doubt there are any.

Using the examples I listed isn't going to give a fraternity a bad reputation. That is idiotic. If anything, it is going to make the chapter stronger and more respected.

Thanks.