2005-2006 NCAA Basketball Thread - Page 6

KSig RC · #76 02-16-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
I definitely do; he can't play defense, isn't all that fast, and can't rebound all that well. The guy can shoot, no doubt, and he's improved other parts of his game, but I just don't see him doing much in the NBA.

Of course you have a guy like Rudy Gay who everyone in the NBA wants, but who has been inconsistent as anything this year. It really is a guessing game sometimes.

I'm not so sure that Reddick's defense is as bad as you're saying - he's not a great athlete, though, and the NBA is now officially the League of the Athlete (TM). However, guys like Wally Szerbiak (who Reddick is probably better than right now) still make a good living and can contribute to winning teams . . . without a ton of work he's probably an 18-min guy, but a contributor.

Also, the Duke list should include pre-accident Bobby Hurley and Jay Williams, both of which were all-rookie teamers and had pretty promising careers destroyed by ridiculous car wrecks. Really, has Duke fared any worse than, say, UCONN or any other school in terms of success? It's not like The Khalid or Big Jake Voskul's Haircut did a whole lot . . . it's just hard to make the leap, you know?

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(pleasepleaseplease don't let Alford be our next coach!)

I can't imagine why you think Alford would do so poorly - I mean, he just beat your ass in your own house like, what, 5 days ago? He's by no means perfect (a surprisingly bad teacher for shooters, 'iffy' recruiting decisions HI PIERRE PIERCE) - but the guys play hard for him, and he'd be a recruiting juggernaut at IU . . .

OhioCentaur · #77 02-16-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
I'm not so sure that Reddick's defense is as bad as you're saying - he's not a great athlete, though, and the NBA is now officially the League of the Athlete (TM). However, guys like Wally Szerbiak (who Reddick is probably better than right now) still make a good living and can contribute to winning teams . . . without a ton of work he's probably an 18-min guy, but a contributor.

Also, the Duke list should include pre-accident Bobby Hurley and Jay Williams, both of which were all-rookie teamers and had pretty promising careers destroyed by ridiculous car wrecks. Really, has Duke fared any worse than, say, UCONN or any other school in terms of success? It's not like The Khalid or Big Jake Voskul's Haircut did a whole lot . . . it's just hard to make the leap, you know?

I can't imagine why you think Alford would do so poorly - I mean, he just beat your ass in your own house like, what, 5 days ago? He's by no means perfect (a surprisingly bad teacher for shooters, 'iffy' recruiting decisions HI PIERRE PIERCE) - but the guys play hard for him, and he'd be a recruiting juggernaut at IU . . .

very good point.

KSigkid · #78 02-16-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by KSig RC
I'm not so sure that Reddick's defense is as bad as you're saying - he's not a great athlete, though, and the NBA is now officially the League of the Athlete (TM). However, guys like Wally Szerbiak (who Reddick is probably better than right now) still make a good living and can contribute to winning teams . . . without a ton of work he's probably an 18-min guy, but a contributor.

Also, the Duke list should include pre-accident Bobby Hurley and Jay Williams, both of which were all-rookie teamers and had pretty promising careers destroyed by ridiculous car wrecks. Really, has Duke fared any worse than, say, UCONN or any other school in terms of success? It's not like The Khalid or Big Jake Voskul's Haircut did a whole lot . . . it's just hard to make the leap, you know?

I wasn't criticizing Duke at all - as I said, it's not a Duke problem. I actually pointed out a couple of Dukies who have done well (I actually forgot Johnny Dawkins, who was decent in the NBA, and even Laettner has been a productive NBA player). I'm not going to argue that UConn's record is any better; once you get past Ray Allen, Emeka and Rip Hamilton, there isn't much there (except Kevin Ollie inexplicably hanging on as the "veteran point guard" guy).

Like I mentioned, it's a guessing game, and you can't know for sure everyone who will make the leap. There are guys like Shawn Marion who came out of nowhere, and guys like Terry Dehere who couldn't live up to the promise.

If Redick ends up doing it, good for him; he's worked at improving all facets of his game since he was a freshman. Somone is going to take him as at least a mid-first round pick, so he's going to get the opportunity.

madmax · #79 02-16-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
That's true; of course there's Grant Hill, if he hadn't been injured, and Cory Maggette is turning into a very good player.

The thing with Redick isn't so much a "Duke thing" as it is a "can shoot but can't do anything else" thing. As much as everyone talks about his leadership, commitment to win, etc., there's only so far that can take you without being able to play D, rebound, or do much of anything except shoot. "Knowing how to win" isn't going to make up for that.

It is a white thing.

OhioCentaur · #80 02-16-2006, 03:31 PM

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It is a white thing.

He said it not me! LOL

ZTABullwinkle · #81 02-16-2006, 05:58 PM

I am going to ignore one of the comments.

(Didn't find it funny!)

KSig Kid and KSigRC-

I think you both make valid points. I think it is rare that someone who stood out in college reaqlly stood out in the NBA in their first year's of play. I hate the NBA (long explanation behind that....) but I do see where some of my favorite Duke players ended up or are doing.

I think my favorite thing about Duke basketball....Coach K emphasizes academics! His players (most of them!) leave school with great basketball skills and memories, along with a degree. I remember when Abdelnaby (showing my age here

) left Duke after they won the National Championships, Coach K. refused to hang the banners until he got his degree. IMHO, that is how it is supposed to be done!

KSig RC · #82 02-16-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
I wasn't criticizing Duke at all - as I said, it's not a Duke problem. I actually pointed out a couple of Dukies who have done well (I actually forgot Johnny Dawkins, who was decent in the NBA, and even Laettner has been a productive NBA player). I'm not going to argue that UConn's record is any better; once you get past Ray Allen, Emeka and Rip Hamilton, there isn't much there (except Kevin Ollie inexplicably hanging on as the "veteran point guard" guy).

Like I mentioned, it's a guessing game, and you can't know for sure everyone who will make the leap. There are guys like Shawn Marion who came out of nowhere, and guys like Terry Dehere who couldn't live up to the promise.

If Redick ends up doing it, good for him; he's worked at improving all facets of his game since he was a freshman. Somone is going to take him as at least a mid-first round pick, so he's going to get the opportunity.

Oh, word - other than the thing about defense, I wasn't really addressing you directly . . . the "Duke curse" is kind of a media myth, I used UCONN only b/c they've had so many sick players coming out recently.

I agree with you, though, for the most part.

GeekyPenguin · #83 02-17-2006, 12:21 AM

Marquette beat Georgetown!

valkyrie · #84 02-17-2006, 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Marquette beat Georgetown!

That's awesome!

KSigkid · #85 02-17-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Marquette beat Georgetown!

I saw that - that's great, because I can't stand Georgetown basketball (no offense Sensuret, it's a Big East rivalry thing).

GeekyPenguin · #86 02-17-2006, 09:57 AM

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I saw that - that's great, because I can't stand Georgetown basketball (no offense Sensuret, it's a Big East rivalry thing).

It was very great - I haven't been able to watch any of their games on TV this year so I was happy that was the first one I saw.

ZTABullwinkle · #87 02-17-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Marquette beat Georgetown!

YES!!! Redemption.....

KSigkid · #88 02-17-2006, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by ZTABullwinkle
YES!!! Redemption.....

Haha, wouldn't it only be redemption if Duke beat Georgetown?

ZTABullwinkle · #89 02-17-2006, 01:20 PM

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Haha, wouldn't it only be redemption if Duke beat Georgetown?

Yeah, we hopefully willo get them in the NCAA tourney....but at least SOMEONE beat them!

hodge son · #90 02-20-2006, 04:43 PM

http://www.truthaboutduke.com

Anyone who still blindly follows Coack K and Duke's squeeky clean image has serious problem. Duke is probably the worst basketball program in the history of the NCAA. They are completely ruining the league with their dictatorial control of the media and the league officials.

Just read the site and you'll see....
-Corey Maggette's ineligible status during Duke's championship year (championship has yet to be removed, and Duke has yet to face NCAA sanctions)

-the BLATENT use of recruiting in last year's AMEx commercial

-various past games that involved Duke scuffles (Fl. St. @ Duke this year, Va. Tech @ Duke last year, Duke v. UCONN in the NCAAs)

-Redick's use (or being in the presence) of marijuana

-Coach K's disowning of Elton Brand after he departed early for the draft