New Islamic Sorority - Page 6

jubilance1922 · #1 12-29-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I'm saying the Jewish ones are different. It's not about religion.

The Christian ones are about religion and it seems this Muslim one is too. If they want another outlet for religion, that's fine, but will it ever become big if they can do that through Campus Crusade for Christ or the Muslim Student Union?

So I'm just speaking on the Jewish ones...that's all

-Rudey

What's wrong with Muslim WOMEN having a sisterhood? Last time I checked, most Muslim Student Associations weren't same-sex orgs.

Rudey · #2 12-29-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
What's wrong with Muslim WOMEN having a sisterhood? Last time I checked, most Muslim Student Associations weren't same-sex orgs.

I know there are a lot of religious student organizations that are for women where they discuss female issues and bond or pray for a good man...whatever it is that they do.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this sorority. If I had to bet though, I wouldn't say it would be there in 10 years unless it took a road down prosletizing (for some reason I feel that the Christian sororities will do that). But those are my thoughts and I'm allowed to have them.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #3 12-30-2005, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I know there are a lot of religious student organizations that are for women where they discuss female issues and bond or pray for a good man...whatever it is that they do.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this sorority. If I had to bet though, I wouldn't say it would be there in 10 years unless it took a road down prosletizing (for some reason I feel that the Christian sororities will do that). But those are my thoughts and I'm allowed to have them.

-Rudey

No one said you weren't allowed to have your opinion Rudey...Calm down for a second...

As someone is has been a member of Muslim Student Associations for several years now, I can say that there is a need for a place where Muslim women can come together in a same-sex environment. And I personally don't seem them going down the road that you envision, but maybe its because I'm coming from a different perspective.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to help me sue France.

Rudey · #4 12-30-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
No one said you weren't allowed to have your opinion Rudey...Calm down for a second...

As someone is has been a member of Muslim Student Associations for several years now, I can say that there is a need for a place where Muslim women can come together in a same-sex environment. And I personally don't seem them going down the road that you envision, but maybe its because I'm coming from a different perspective.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to help me sue France.

I'm not flipping out so don't worry.

So why not create a subgroup of MSU that is for women? I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done already.

And I did a google search on how to sue a country and I can't figure it out. Help me help you.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #5 12-30-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
So why not create a subgroup of MSU that is for women? I'm just wondering why it hasn't been done already.
-Rudey

Why have any sororities or fraternities at all? Why not have just a bunch of student orgs?

I don't see any downsides to forming a sorority for Muslim women. There are sororities for practically every other commonality (major, religion, racial/ethnic origin, motherhood, etc.)

AlphaFrog · #6 12-30-2005, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
There are sororities for practically every other commonality (motherhood)

????

Rudey · #7 12-30-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Why have any sororities or fraternities at all? Why not have just a bunch of student orgs?

I don't see any downsides to forming a sorority for Muslim women. There are sororities for practically every other commonality (major, religion, racial/ethnic origin, motherhood, etc.)

But again, this is religious. That's why I don't see the point in a fraternity or sorority.

-Rudey

Senusret I · #8 12-30-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
But again, this is religious. That's why I don't see the point in a fraternity or sorority.

-Rudey

Rudey,

Did you join your fraternity for cultural reasons or religious reasons or both? I'm just curious.

I've been trying to find the "point" of gay fraternities and I think the discussion in this thread is helpful.

Rudey · #9 12-30-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
Rudey,

Did you join your fraternity for cultural reasons or religious reasons or both? I'm just curious.

I've been trying to find the "point" of gay fraternities and I think the discussion in this thread is helpful.

Neither really. Culture maybe slightly, but really I'd prefer never to have a Cross be in my fraternity's symbols or to have doubts of proud in my fraternity's history regarding exclusion; mainly I enjoy knowing every new brother will memorize my name :P

I don't see the point in religious fraternities (unless it's to prosletyze). I also don't see the point in gay ones (unless it's to act as a dating service/group therapy). And if the "Unlesses" are the reasons why, I think that's expanding the definition of a fraternity/sorority.

Now I wish all groups the best in growing and expanding, but it doesn't mean I believe they will or that they fit my idea of a traditional fraternity/sorority (instead just another student group).

-Rudey

Senusret I · #10 12-30-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Neither really. Culture maybe slightly, but really I'd prefer never to have a Cross be in my fraternity's symbols or to have doubts of proud in my fraternity's history regarding exclusion; mainly I enjoy knowing every new brother will memorize my name :P

I don't see the point in religious fraternities (unless it's to prosletyze). I also don't see the point in gay ones (unless it's to act as a dating service/group therapy). And if the "Unlesses" are the reasons why, I think that's expanding the definition of a fraternity/sorority.

Now I wish all groups the best in growing and expanding, but it doesn't mean I believe they will or that they fit my idea of a traditional fraternity/sorority (instead just another student group).

-Rudey

I hear you. I feel the same way (for the most part) but then here I am in a "black" fraternity. I don't feel like a hypocrite, but I wonder if I am reinforcing my more patriarchal views on these new orgs.

I just can't help it though.... I feel like a fraternity should be affirming of all facets of a man's life. A "Christian" fraternity or a "gay" fraternity or an obese chick's sorority....I dunno, just seems like it's outside the realm of the essence of Greek life.

Especially since there are churches, gay support groups, and other entities set up with the purpose of providing assistance, philanthropy, and service for and with those groups.

I dunno. I still believe in allowing people the right to associate however they want, but I haven't heard a convincing argument for the newer groups yet.

jubilance1922 · #11 12-30-2005, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaFrog
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Sigma Beta Xi. I believe one of their members posted in the "Up and Coming GLOs" forum.

Rudey · #12 12-30-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Sigma Beta Xi. I believe one of their members posted in the "Up and Coming GLOs" forum.

Many hospitals and communities have an expectant mother group. I'd like to know what would make "Sigma Beta Xi" any different.

-Rudey

jubilance1922 · #13 12-30-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Many hospitals and communities have an expectant mother group. I'd like to know what would make "Sigma Beta Xi" any different.

-Rudey

Dont ask me, ask their founders.

Rudey · #14 12-30-2005, 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Dont ask me, ask their founders.

Hah it was somewhat rhetorical.

Did you find info on suing France yet?

-Rudey

Drolefille · #15 01-01-2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by sueali
I understand what you are saying, if everyone is doing it then you are not singling someone out. However, you are incorrect that hazing is making only new members do it. Hazing has a broad definition of anytime someone is made to feel uncomfortable active, alumna, new member or not. At least this is how my chapter was taught to view the definition.

And I understand that definition. But one could say that they feel uncomfortable with study hours or required chapter meetings or filing reports with the president etc. You could be uncomfortable with walking into that room for initiation by yourself.

For a reasonable value of uncomfortable, reading the Koran shouldn't register. Any women joining will have a good idea that this is a Muslim based sorority and if a woman is uncomfortable, she wouldn't join. It would be like a sorority openly saying, our Patron is a Greek God/dess and having a woman complain about idolatry or pagans or something post-joining.

Point being, reading the Koran shouldn't be hazing by any definition.

ETA: There was another reply saying that required reading of anything unrelated to the sorority would be considered hazing. I think that as they are openly muslim, the Koran is definately related to the sorority.