Blame the Planes?

[Deke4life]

1.The point is: Larry Silverstein purchased the buildings 1,2, and 7, then finalized a massive record breaking insurance deal just six weeks prior to 9-11... - which would satisfy motive for building 7 under Dr. Jones' hypothesis... - Although, I still maintain that my qualitative speculation here should be considered independently from the physics in this matter (quantitative data):

http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/200..._6_person.shtml

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html

http://www.insurancejournal.com/new...06/07/15925.htm


*2. And of course, *most importantly*, the Operation Northwoods documents explain the potential motive for buildings 1 and 2, as well as somewhat building 7:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods



I would also like to add here that Marvin Bush was hired as head of security for the entire complex.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html


3. and... that the person who was in charge of certifying the steel in those buildings does not see any reason why those buildings should have colapsed due to fire or any type of fuel.

here is his letter of obvious concern:

http://www.septembereleventh.org/ne...-11-11-ryan.php

Thus Dr. Jones' hypothesis :

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html


a hypothesis which is echoed by many others, including many engineers. Here is just one example:

PHYSICS 911 is created and maintained by a group of scientists, engineers and other professionals known collectively as the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-eleven

http://physics911.net/

[Kevin]

Deke -- simply amazing, and not in a good way. Honestly, your "theory" seems to be about the same quality as these:

"US Accused of Using Poison Gas in Iraq"

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=9631

"Al-Zarqawi Captured in Iraq"

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=6517

"Al-Zarqawi Captured on Syrian-Iraq Border"

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=2955

Oh.. same paper, and this story looks familiar:

"Controlled collapse of World Trade Center Building 7?"

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/con...ory.asp?id=255

[RACooper]

I say we move this thread to the land of the loonies, so it can be debated by people who "know" the truth

Here's a good site to banish it to:
http://thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr/nwo.htm

Oh wait they already have a thing about the WTC7, and it being an evil governmental/NWO/Zionist/insurance/satanic plot

[starang21]

http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml


http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf


by structural engineers.

a more relevant discussion.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by starang21
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml


http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/latest/aibs_2002_wtc.pdf


by structural engineers.

a more relevant discussion.

Hmmm... but they don't support his theory - so they'll be dismissed as well; much like the earlier report I linked to the thread.

In the immortal words of Winston Churchill:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind
and won't change the subject"

[Deke4life]

Fortunatley... Im not using those sources. Pointing at other people that may or may not promote some of the ideas in my hypothesis is unfair and illogical deamonization. I suggest that everyone read my last post in its entirity, including the links.

Operation Northwoods (links provided in my last post) was an official U.S. government plan to carry out acts of terrorism to incite a desired state of public opinion. - this could be the motive that would satisfy Dr. Jones' hypothesis. - and its just that... its a hypothesis, to be tested against others...

I am open to other ideas - (and I am aware they exist), but I am very concerned, especially given the obvious problems outlined in Dr. Jones' paper and others, including the potential motive that exists. FEMA owes the American public a better investigation.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Deke4life
Fortunatley... Im not using those sources. Pointing at other people that may or may not promote some of the ideas in my hypothesis is unfair and illogical deamonization. I suggest that everyone read my last post in its entirity, including the links.

Operation Northwoods (links provided in my last post) was an official U.S. government plan to carry out acts of terrorism to incite a desired state of public opinion. - this could be the motive that would satisfy Dr. Jones' hypothesis.

Operation Northwoods was cooked up in 1962. I think you and Dr. Jones are going to have to do better than that.

[starang21]

Originally posted by RACooper
Hmmm... but they don't support his theory - so they'll be dismissed as well; much like the earlier report I linked to the thread.

In the immortal words of Winston Churchill:
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind
and won't change the subject"

his theory is wrong and preposterous.

he should read structural engineering publications.

hell, some of my own professors did the actual investigation the following weeks after 9/11.

i'll believe them over some random ass astro-physicist who doesn't know the difference from a composite column, and steel joist from his own ass.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Deke4life
my hypothesis is illogical

indeed.

[Tom Earp]

And an Egg fell off of the wall, and all of the Kings Men could not put Poor Humpty back together again!

I am sure if you ask any Arch. Engineers about this, You may get as many thpoughts and results.

So, where in the heck are We on this discussion?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by starang21
his theory is wrong and preposterous.

he should read structural engineering publications.

hell, some of my own professors did the actual investigation the following weeks after 9/11.

i'll believe them over some random ass astro-physicist who doesn't know the difference from a composite column, and steel joist from his own ass.

Why starang21 are you saying you question a paper/study that doesn't acknowledge the fact that steel becomes more elastic/weaker when subjected to heat... perish the thought

I don't mean to be so insulting, but this Dr. Jones, well his paper would have about as much chance of making it through a peer-review up here as a someone hitting the non-alcoholic beer on St. Patty's day - sure it could happen... but the chances of that happening...

[starang21]

Originally posted by RACooper
Why starang21 are you saying you question a paper/study that doesn't acknowledge the fact that steel becomes more elastic/weaker when subjected to heat... perish the thought

I don't mean to be so insulting, but this Dr. Jones, well his paper would have about as much chance of making it through a peer-review up here as a someone hitting the non-alcoholic beer on St. Patty's day - sure it could happen... but the chances of that happening...

his paper would be laughed out of academia.

if this is the best that BYU has to offer....

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
And an Egg fell off of the wall, and all of the Kings Men could not put Poor Humpty back together again!

I am sure if you ask any Arch. Engineers about this, You may get as many thpoughts and results.

So, where in the heck are We on this discussion?

i haven't heard to many structrual engineers share his sentiment.



steel evaporating?

LOL. when pigs fly.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by starang21
his paper would be laughed out of academia.

if this is the best that BYU has to offer....

_________________________________
(insert Mormon joke here)

[Tom Earp]

If a object such as a Plane strikes an object such at the Towers, doesnt this deplete the structual capacity and Integreity of the Steel that built it?

Then thrown in the Heat from Fire lessen it more?

Basic Chemistery will tell You that!