Drinking in letters

[ISUKappa]

Not to be picky, but I actually said "It isn't too terribly difficult and it doesn't hurt anyone, so what's the harm, even if some do think it's hypocritical?" (To me there's a world of difference between the two statements) It's just one of those small things we can do to act responsibly/respectfully. And I agree with sugar and spice that it's pretty much null and void if you refrain from wearing letters when you go out but then share with your entire Psych 101 class who knows you're in XYZ you bonged 4 beers and passed out on some random couch the night before. We are scrutinized more because we are part of a Greek community, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy our social freedoms at college, if we do it responsibly and respectfully, which, to me, includes refraining from wearing GLO insignia/apparel while going out. The same standards should apply for student athletes and leaders; people who are visible on campus and who are supposed to set a good example for the students and be a positive representative for the school (though I know they rarely do). I don't know what it's like at other schools, but I rarely saw varsity athletes wear their letter jackets or other athletic insignia out at the bars when I was in school. But maybe that's because they didn't want them to get all bar-smelly. Either that, or they were too cool for the bars, and drank at their apartments.

[Munchkin03]

Originally posted by ISUKappa
We are scrutinized more because we are part of a Greek community, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy our social freedoms at college, if we do it responsibly and respectfully, which, to me, includes refraining from wearing GLO insignia/apparel while going out.

Cosign.

This is why Munchkin doesn't drink in letters: when I joined, I seriously had family members ask me how much I drank, if I was forced to drink as part of a new member activity. Friends weren't much better--they just knew I was going to drink, Greek or not. The stigma I felt from family members who thought that NPC/NIC Greeks were nothing but a bunch of lushes stuck with me, and now I am very careful about how I carry myself as far as alcohol is concerned. I don't want to be responsible for perpetrating that stereotype--or any negative one, for that matter, about GLO membership.

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
While we were at SEPC, one of my DZ friends noticed a DG smoking outside in her letters. She was absolutely apalled, and asked me why I didn't go up and say something to her. I told her that the girl wasn't in my chapter and I didn't feel like it was cool of me to go up and reem out a girl that I didn't know, but it posed to interesting subjects... one, is it your business if you see someone not in your chapter behaving inappropriately to talk to them, and two, if this DZ noticed and said something about someone not even in her sorority, than that means that most greeks have the same thought when they see it, so even if it's not so that anti-greeks think well of you, but maybe more so other greeks, because they are obviously looking for the same things you are.

I know that personally, if a sister from another chapter who was close to my age came up to me, and despite how polite she was, tried to tell me what to do, I would not only probably ignore her, I would be a little annoyed. Maybe it's just because of my stubborn nature but I don't like strangers telling me what to do. On the other hand, I would see what she was trying to do, would feel kind of ashamed and probably wouldn't smoke in my letters again that day.

Although if it was an older alumna, I think I would have more respect for her and put out the cig. But thats just cuz of the whole "respect your elders" thing. If it weren't for alumnae i wouldn't be an Alpha Phi.

[Glitter650]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
, than that means that most greeks have the same thought when they see it, so even if it's not so that anti-greeks think well of you, but maybe more so other greeks, because they are obviously looking for the same things you are.

I agree becuase I know I myself am definitely guilty of this... I totally notice if other soror. ladies are wearing insignia while we are at events where there's alcohol, and while I would never go up and talk to them about it... it is noted and *kinda* makes me think less of their chapter

[AlphaFrog]

Shiela-

Does ASA even have a national policy about drinking in letters? I know there's no buying alcohol with soroity funds and no taking up a collection to buy it...but I don't know about actual national rules about it... Our chapter policy was no drinking in letters/jewlery over 2 inches Now that I'm 21 and alum I guess it doesn't really matter...



And I forgot who said it, but seriously if one sister wears her letters, no one else at the table orders alcohol? I'd be doing shirt checks on everyone before we left for the restaraunt!

[James]

Can you have sex in your letters? Like just wearing a top or something?

Although, you might be really bad in bed and then you would give XYZ everywhere a bad name . . ..

[Glitter650]

actually some sisters and I were talking about the whole sex in letters thing the other day... yeah we came to the conclusion that lavaliers are damn tricky to remember to take off....you just forget you're wearing it. I don't know about the whole issue of respect or what not... but I don't doubt that it happens.... I would venture that having sex in some sort of para. isn't as bad as some other things people may do in letters...

[Sister Havana]

What about people who have their letters tattooed on them? Do they have to take a vow never, ever to drink, smoke, have sex, etc?

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Glitter650
actually some sisters and I were talking about the whole sex in letters thing the other day... yeah we came to the conclusion that lavaliers are damn tricky to remember to take off....you just forget you're wearing it. I don't know about the whole issue of respect or what not... but I don't doubt that it happens.... I would venture that having sex in some sort of para. isn't as bad as some other things people may do in letters...

If the not wearing letters when doing morally questionable activity in public is the issue.. well are they having sex in public?

If not, it's like that whole tree falling in the forest and no one hearing it question.

[HotDamnImAPhiMu]

Originally posted by Sister Havana
What about people who have their letters tattooed on them? Do they have to take a vow never, ever to drink, smoke, have sex, etc?

..... which is why there are many orgs. that just say, "NO org-related tattoos, thanks." Chi O may be one of them (any Chi Os know for sure?) but Phi Mu doesn't, unfortunately, have a national policy on this.

Anyone remember the sorority member who appeared in Playboy, complete with tattoo?

[emb021]

Originally posted by Sister Havana
Members of my chapter of Alpha Phi Omega aren't allowed to drink in letters...we're not even supposed to be in a bar with letters on. I'm not sure if that's a national rule or not...I would suspect not, since I know some brothers in other chapters who drink with letters on. But I could be wrong.

There is no National Policy in APO regarding this, just a very widespread and accepted tradition not to drink while in letters or in any fraternity insignia.

Most Brothers and Chapters accept this, but some don't.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by adpialumcsuc
I have also had plenty of smokers ask to leave the room during the middle of the interview to have a "smoke"

I agree with you honey. I doesn't always make my hiring decision but it is a good tie breaker for sure.

I have never been asked on any application forms if I smoke (I believe that is a question you are forbidden to asnwer, like race, religion, marital status, etc...). I doubt I have ever been turned down for a job because I am a smoker.
But I have never asked to leave an interview to go for a smoke.
How long is the interview anyway? If it's really long I would think the employer would give you a break.

[Ndigayenza]

Nope. I'm a part of Hermandad de Sigma Iota Alpha, Inc. We can't drink in our letters. Why would you want to?

[James]

I am almost sure that solo-self-stimulating-eroticism is not allowed in letters or near letters.

[AlphaPhiBubbles]

Originally posted by James
I am almost sure that solo-self-stimulating-eroticism is not allowed in letters or near letters.

Hmmm... well I am quite sure that would be next to impossible to regulate. Unless someone walked in on you and then I think that last thing on either of your minds would be that you were wearing letters during the act