Relations between the Jewish community and GLOs

[Erik P Conard]

As a transfer to KU, a junior, I had never seen a Jew nor knew
much about their solidarity. There was a very weak chapter of
AEPi at Kansas, and the sought-after Jews were snapped up by
TKE, Beta, perhaps DU...and few Jews went to KU, mostly the
KC ones went to U Mo where strong Jewish fraternities existed,
the Zebes, AEPi, Sammy, Phi Sig (Phi Sigma Delta) etc.
I was proud of TKE whilst on the road as a fielder as we took who
we wanted, regardless of ethnicity or religion.
The TKE Jewish members I recall all were either presidents or the
treasurer, generally pre-law, had great senses of humor.
TKE was invited to revive the long dead chapter at Penn, but we
had to take Theta Rho, local, which was Jewish and Penn had two
rushes, Jewish & Gentile...then. We declined and have never been back to Penn...inactive since '40. WWII killed this great one
It seemed silly to be so divisive. Lose-lose for TKE, too.
While ZBT swallowed up many Jewish fraternities, the removal
of the "clause" has created some problems.
The transition of the Jewish fraternities has been difficult on some
campuses...but we never had that problem.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by Rudey
Let me get this straight just because I need to understand this. Stephen, a Sigma Alpha Mu, nowhere near as smart as a girl from Georgetown, got violent, physically attacked a girl, who was also sick and unable to defend herself, and then also destroyed her property by throwing her stuffed animal in a river?? That is cruel and cold. And he went on to get arrested for prostitution and stealing a car??

-Rudey
--Sad

He also accused her of using her sickness as an excuse. It was a big-time slap too - open-handed and he really wound up when he did it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KSigkid
He also accused her of using her sickness as an excuse. It was a big-time slap too - open-handed and he really wound up when he did it.

I can't believe a Sigma Alpha Mu did that.

-Rudey

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Rudey
I can't believe a Sigma Alpha Mu did that.

-Rudey

Believe it. A Sigma Alpha Mu. Sammy, if you will.

I'm so surprised you never saw "The slap heard 'round the world."

[TPARose]

I really don't think that Stephans fraternal relationship is really relevant in the slap scenerio. It is fruitless to linger on the fact that he WAS a sammy. I am sure that "brothers" from other fraternities have made similiar mistakes in moments past, which haven't nessicarily exemplified the morals that their founders had tried to embody in their fraternities. It is sad when this happens, such as in Stephan's case, but in no way is this indicative of a failure or weakness in that particular fraternity. People are people, and sometimes despite the best upbringing of relations, people do just make huge mistakes and come out bad.

In the Slap case, I think it is a shame that Any Man (or woman, for that matter) would lose their temper and harm a sick girl (despite how annoying she may be), regardless of fraternal orientation.

[Senusret I]

Hmmmm......

Stephen being a member of Sigma Alpha Mu at the time that he viciously slapped a girl on national television is indeed relevant TO ME, because well, that's the first time I think any Greek has does such a thing on MTV or any such program. I find that interesting -- sue me.

And no certainly it's not a reflection on Sigma Alpha Mu that they selected this gentleman to become a member in the first place -- nobody has a crystal ball that can determine whether their members will end up committing violent acts against women.

And so far, we don't have any concrete evidence that he was expelled...all that we know is that Stephen from the Real World: Seattle, an at least then-member of Sigma Alpha Mu (a pretty prominent fraternity from what I understand) struck a woman on tv and destroyed her property, and went on to other less than savory acts in his life, including, but not limited to prostitution and theft.

In any case, I think this can serve as a frozen moment in time for Sigma Alpha Mu, or any of our organizations, that we need to be so confident, so sure in our selection of new members, that we will have less occurences of our members embarassing our organizations.

And for the record, I don't think Stephen is a bad person, I think he made bad choices.

Originally posted by TPARose
I really don't think that Stephans fraternal relationship is really relevant in the slap scenerio. It is fruitless to linger on the fact that he WAS a sammy. I am sure that "brothers" from other fraternities have made similiar mistakes in moments past, which haven't nessicarily exemplified the morals that their founders had tried to embody in their fraternities. It is sad when this happens, such as in Stephan's case, but in no way is this indicative of a failure or weakness in that particular fraternity. People are people, and sometimes despite the best upbringing of relations, people do just make huge mistakes and come out bad.

In the Slap case, I think it is a shame that Any Man (or woman, for that matter) would lose their temper and harm a sick girl (despite how annoying she may be), regardless of fraternal orientation.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Senusret I
Hmmmm......

Stephen being a member of Sigma Alpha Mu at the time that he viciously slapped a girl on national television is indeed relevant TO ME, because well, that's the first time I think any Greek has does such a thing on MTV or any such program. I find that interesting -- sue me.

And no certainly it's not a reflection on Sigma Alpha Mu that they selected this gentleman to become a member in the first place -- nobody has a crystal ball that can determine whether their members will end up committing violent acts against women.

And so far, we don't have any concrete evidence that he was expelled...all that we know is that Stephen from the Real World: Seattle, an at least then-member of Sigma Alpha Mu (a pretty prominent fraternity from what I understand) struck a woman on tv and destroyed her property, and went on to other less than savory acts in his life, including, but not limited to prostitution and theft.

In any case, I think this can serve as a frozen moment in time for Sigma Alpha Mu, or any of our organizations, that we need to be so confident, so sure in our selection of new members, that we will have less occurences of our members embarassing our organizations.

And for the record, I don't think Stephen is a bad person, I think he made bad choices.

Exactly. Stephen has problems as did the Sammy who posted in this thread and only managed to hurt his own fraternity.

Now in regards to AEPi's relationship to the community:
http://www.jewishstudentlife.org/pag...dunderfire.htm
We helped rebuild a Chabad that had burned down in San Diego.

Our previous international charity was Magen David Adom, the Israeli Red Cross. This year our new philanthropy is the Ethiopian Jewish center in Israel where we will do our part in helping new Ethiopian immigrants.

AEPi was the Israel Advocate of the year in 2003 - the first such award given by AIPAC at its national conference.

Listen, I can go on and on and on. Nothing is going to stop AEPi's rise. Now there may be bumps in the road but I believe so strongly in the fraternity's ties to the community and the good that it's doing, that I have no doubt whatsoever that the community loves us back!

-Rudey

[sammysfa]

"Rudey
--By the way how come so many of your chapters are dying off? I think you're down to 65 or so now huh?"

We have over 70 groups and we are a Jewish Fraternity as is ZBT. My brother is a ZBT and I am a Sammy, we are both Jewish.

Sammy has over 12 chapters with over 100 men. AEPI doesn't!!!! Five Jewish guys in an elevator doesn't make a chapter unless your are an AEPI.

Stephen is one sammy out of over 3,000 undergraduate members and probably the worst example to think of. I am sure if we put members from quite a few different sororities and fraternities on TV like that there would be other "stephens" out there. I only posted what I posted because I am tired of AEPI claiming to be the only Jewish Fraternity!!! The funny thing is that at the largest school in the USA the University of Texas at Austin the two largest groups that attract the Jewish population are ZBT and Sammy! Plus now that we have moved back into a house at Indiana University I am sure we will explode again there also. Plus for years at the University of Wisconsin we were a 150 man Jewish chapter and at Maryland too. So, my point is that AEPI is not the only Jewish Fraternity and they need to stop falsely advertising themselves.

Besides, at my Temple the Rabbi is a Sammy, three past Temple presidents are Sammy's and most of the men there are ZBT or SAM. So, gosh I guess what were not Jewish because we joined those groups and the only way to be a Jew according to AEPI is to join AEPI. AEPI better watch out because we are on a serious expansion plan and hired a past Hillel director who is a Sammy to become our Assistant Executive Director in charge of Expansion so it won't be long!

Proud to be a Sammy!

[kddani]

I never realized that the Jewish faith made you have such ill will and hatred towards others, even those of your own faith.

Also, does Sammy teach you to have that attitude?

Your words here are making a mockery of your brotherhood. Grow up and learn to be an adult, and maybe your opinions will garner some respect.

[ZTAngel]

As a Jew, I'm appalled that you would insult another based on the fraternity they joined. I would think we're better than that. We already have so much animosity and ignorance coming from people outside our religion. Why start creating that same judgemental attitude amongst each other over GLO choices?

I've met many AEPis at my school and through family members (we have a long history of AEPis in my family) and they all have shown a tremendous amount of class. I've only come in contact with Sammy's online. Thank goodness I don't judge your whole organization on the actions of one.......

[kappaloo]

Do you _have_ be Jewish to be in AEPi?

[AEPhiSierra]

no, you don't have to be jewish to be in aepi.

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
no, you don't have to be jewish to be in aepi.

That's what I thought, thanks!

[KSigkid]

Sammysfa, there's a line between being proud of your organization and being completely rude about another. I would venture to say many of us are proud of our orgs, but we're not going to go on here trashing rival GLO's.

It doesn't reflect well on yourself or on Sammy in general.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by KSigkid
Sammysfa, there's a line between being proud of your organization and being completely rude about another. I would venture to say many of us are proud of our orgs, but we're not going to go on here trashing rival GLO's.

It doesn't reflect well on yourself or on Sammy in general.

Agreed. I definitely have no problem giving members of certain other fraternities a hard time because of their affiliation (you know who you are blackfeet), but it's all good natured.

Please be respectful of people on GC.