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Old 12-14-2003, 07:24 PM
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Personally I feel for the guy he has been the whipping boy for America for several years now. In my opinion w/o good cause after 1991 the guy did nothing to be considered a threat to the world community,and to try to connect him to Sept 11th is asinine. He's just another victim of western aggression to be demonized and hunted down as if he was some prize in a hunting contest........and no Crimsontide the troops won't be coming home no time soon b/c now it's time to make a profit off this needless so called war.
i so totally agree!!! my l.s. and i were discussing this after church and i said that i was reluctant to declare this a good thing until i see that the charges brought against him are substantiated and proven not to be just a beard stroke for bush. shoot i was one of those feeling sorry for him when his sons were killed and had their pictures all over every news station...
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Old 12-14-2003, 07:25 PM
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On another forum, I said Saddam needed a Jenny Jones makeover to which someone replied he needed Kyan from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy's assistance.
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Old 12-14-2003, 08:30 PM
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A double-edged sword...

I find it hard to leap for joy simply because Saddam Hussein has been captured.

I am ever aware that we live in a society that revolves around the media and that, more often than not, the information provided by the media is biased. I am not saying that Hussein deserves the man of the year award or the Nobel Peace Prize. However, I wish the people of America would not hasten to judgement on the basis of what we hear. I work in the news industry as a copy editor and I have seen firsthand how information can be skewed depending upon the source or the publisher. It bothers me to no end when I hear Americans make comments about people in other countries when they truly have no clue what they are talking about. Too frequently they are only regurgitating propoganda they have been force fed their entire lives. I cannot reiterate this enough: We only know what we are told.

I am not one to purport conspiracy theories, but how many times has "confidential" information eventually seeped out? How much more is under lock and key? How do we really know what goes on around the world when censorship and biases prevent the whole truth from being discussed?

I am also extremely concerned that Hussein's capture coupled with a weak batch of democratic presidential hopefuls will make it easier for Bush to be re-elected (although I suppose one would have to be elected, and not appointed, in the first place to be RE-elected... don't get me started on that election). I have a feeling that this will serve as a feather in his cap on the republican campaign trail. I also wonder how many Americans who had defected from the Bush camp because of the number of soldiers dying in the war will now rejoin him.

Back to the issue of the news, I just think we should always look at the media with a gimlet eye and take it with a grain of salt, particularly when we are dealing with world relations. Political and personal gain are two very strong forces that could easily sway people to lie or do terribly deceitful things.

That's my eight cents... I'll get off my soap box... for now.

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Old 12-14-2003, 09:51 PM
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I don't think this is the end at all. The problem has never been one man, be it Saddam or bin Laden. It's a cultural mindset. East vs. West. There are a million little Iraqi boys and young men ready to be the next "Saddam."

It will take years of diplomacy, cultural partnership and assimiliation to show the Iraqi public that we are not the Enemy we're purported to be.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think the gov/t will take the short-sighted position and think this is over, and 5, 10 years down the road, we chasin' another "dictator" over the same bullisht.
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Old 12-14-2003, 10:27 PM
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Umm, and right before the next Presidential election. How ignorant does this administration think the American people are? They knew where he was all along. And now our "war-time" President has once again dooped the American public with this. But again I ask, where are the weapons? Maybe now that Saddam has been "found" we can get the answer........
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Old 12-14-2003, 10:55 PM
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This morning the media was stressing that Saddam was not at the heart of all of these terrorist attacks, so that capturing him doesn't mean that the war is over by a long shot.

They're right.

I'm torn about this. I live in NYC- I never NEVER want to see another Sept. 11th. I want to feel safe again. Heightened military action seems to be necessary to achieving that goal.

The problem is that I don't know that the current military action is the way to do that. The men who pulled off Sept. 11th didn't have anything to do with Saddam Hussein, and more ties to our good friends in Saudi Arabia than Iraq.

The war is a great way to get access to that country's oil supplies, but a way to root out Al Queda? Capturing Saddam doesn't mean squat to Al Queda except for another martyr to fuel their cause.

I would LIKE to be able to trust our country and say that our military leaders are doing their best to protect us, but I don't really believe that. I dont think that any Americans are that naive about the things that our government does anymore. I think our leaders (republican AND democrat) are politicians and they are doing the best they can for their own bank accounts. The safety and wellbeing of the people is a distant second. Very distant.
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Old 12-14-2003, 11:03 PM
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He's probably been captured, this administration probably was like yea right now let's suddenly "find him" . I predict we will probably fine Bin Laden around August or September about 2-3 months before the 2004 elections.
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Old 12-14-2003, 11:33 PM
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But again I ask, where are the weapons?

For that matter, where is Osama Bin Laden..... how is it that we've been looking for him longer than Saddam and all of a sudden we get intelligence information that lead us straight to Saddam? We've been looking for Bin Laden for how many years, and he's no where to be found? C'mon. Shouldn't our focus be finding the person who claimed responsibility for 9/11?
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Old 12-14-2003, 11:33 PM
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He's probably been captured, this administration probably was like yea right now let's suddenly "find him" . I predict we will probably fine Bin Laden around August or September about 2-3 months before the 2004 elections.
OMG!!! I was LMAO at that one! If that happens, there's going to be some eyebrows raised, for real...

I agree with what ohters have previously said:

1.) WHERE ARE THE WEAPONS!?!?! That was the first sentence that came to my mind, when I woke up this morning and my mom told me that he'd been captured. I was like "Okay, but where are the WMD?" Cuz we all know there weren't any weapons to begin with. They probably did know where he was all along, and just let him ride it out until they wanted to "capture" him...

2.) Our country has really demonized him. I mean, I know that he wasn't a nice person, to say the absolute very least, but who says b/c of that, we have the gall to go up in some else's country and remove them, esp. when we weren't honest about the reason in the first place...Our culture here is really screwed up, and if I were an Iraqi I wouldn't rust Bush or our govt. as far as I can throw him...

The question now though (which is what they were talking about on CNN), is where and how will he be tried? The Iraqi's deserve to try him in their own land. But, since we captured him, AND it's election time around the corner, I'm sceptical about that happening (even though Bush supposed has to following Int'l Law)...On the news, they were like "He should get the death penalty". I wonder how this will play out...
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Old 12-14-2003, 11:49 PM
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For that matter, where is Osama Bin Laden..... how is it that we've been looking for him longer than Saddam and all of a sudden we get intelligence information that lead us straight to Saddam? We've been looking for Bin Laden for how many years, and he's no where to be found? C'mon. Shouldn't our focus be finding the person who claimed responsibility for 9/11?
Don't you know? Osama is soooo 2001.
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Old 12-15-2003, 02:45 PM
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... But again I ask, where are the weapons?

...in dude's beard, maybe?
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Old 12-15-2003, 02:56 PM
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I'm worried that this may not be Sadaam, but one of those body doubles that he uses that I've heard about. I mean, who knows with the DNA stuff...this just seems too good to be true!
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:01 PM
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All that hair is a SERIOUS WEAPON of MASS DESTRUCTION!!!


Can you imagine Mrs. Saddam's reaction to him asking for a kiss?!!?! "Iraqian are you crazy?!?!!?"
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:11 PM
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Can you imagine Mrs. Saddam's reaction to him asking for a kiss?!!?! "Iraqian are you crazy?!?!!?"

...but with the pressure of the Marines chasing him, I bet he put in on her like it was the very last time because.... well, now I guess it is.

but still, bin Laden is like 6'6" with a f---ked up beard and we can't find him. WTH?

As Jay Anthony Brown (Tom Joyner) says, "I bet if these sumb*tches had student loans we'd know where they were. If you got a student loan they know how to find yo azz."
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Old 12-15-2003, 03:12 PM
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As Jay Anthony Brown (Tom Joyner) says, "I bet if these sumb*tches had student loans we'd know where they were. If you got a student loan they know how to find yo azz."
He ain't neva lied. Mofos find you all willy nilly.
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