HAHAHA Chargers!

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Originally posted by TonyB06


I'll come back for your Bengals analysis.

from what I heard, the Bengals are not going to do anything in the AFC North.

[DeltaSigStan]

Ok, they just signed their star running back to the most expensive deal for a running back in the league...

You need someone to THROW the ball to him. Brees seems to like throwing to players wearing the opposite jersey as his, and Flutie can't go out there in stilts...

So, who's worse, the 49ers, the Cardinals, or the Chargers?

[DeltaSigStan]

1) Nice to see that those Hardcore, loyal Charger fans are out of hiding now that the team is 9-3.

2) I was shocked to see the SD/Denver game was sold out...I'm not surprised to see that the SD/TB game HASN'T sold out.

Go take your 2nd round trip to Indy, Foxboro or Pittsburgh and take your ass whooping so that Drew Brees can leave and you're stuck with the guy you were going with in the first place.

[polarpi]

Stan, Stan, Stan....you KNOW there will be a huge uproar in SD if Brees leaves here, especially if he leads them into the playoffs.

Rivers is a commodity...the Chargers can get a good deal for him (and this is something that even the national commentators are saying about the situation)

This diehard, loyal Chargers fan has been rooting them on since the beginning of the season, so I've got a great seat on the bandwagon, and I'm NEVER giving it up!

[valkyrie]

Stupid Chargers. I should say stupid Broncos, but it's all the same.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by polarpi
Stan, Stan, Stan....you KNOW there will be a huge uproar in SD if Brees leaves here, especially if he leads them into the playoffs.

Rivers is a commodity...the Chargers can get a good deal for him (and this is something that even the national commentators are saying about the situation)

This diehard, loyal Chargers fan has been rooting them on since the beginning of the season, so I've got a great seat on the bandwagon, and I'm NEVER giving it up!

Well, this isn't the same front office that took Ryan Leaf, so maybe they'll make the right decision.

In SD's defense....passing up on Michael Vick doesn't seem so stupid now, does it?

[polarpi]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Well, this isn't the same front office that took Ryan Leaf, so maybe they'll make the right decision.

In SD's defense....passing up on Michael Vick doesn't seem so stupid now, does it?

I have all the faith in the world in AJ Smith and the rest of the front office!

And yes, passing on Vick doesn't seem stupid at all (even though the Falcons beat us this year )

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by polarpi
Stan, Stan, Stan....you KNOW there will be a huge uproar in SD if Brees leaves here, especially if he leads them into the playoffs.

Rivers is a commodity...the Chargers can get a good deal for him (and this is something that even the national commentators are saying about the situation)

This diehard, loyal Chargers fan has been rooting them on since the beginning of the season, so I've got a great seat on the bandwagon, and I'm NEVER giving it up!

it will be tough to trade a $44 million contract attached to dubious mechanics and zero live-game NFL experience.

Brees is gone at the end of the year, barring some sort of one-year, "prove it ain't a fluke" deal - they simply can't cap 2 QB contracts for an extended period of time. It would be smarter to let him go, most likely, than to overpay for one good year following seasons of mediocrity.

[polarpi]

Originally posted by KSig RC
it will be tough to trade a $44 million contract attached to dubious mechanics and zero live-game NFL experience.

Brees is gone at the end of the year, barring some sort of one-year, "prove it ain't a fluke" deal - they simply can't cap 2 QB contracts for an extended period of time. It would be smarter to let him go, most likely, than to overpay for one good year following seasons of mediocrity.

But is this year the fluke, or was the mediocrity?

I don't think the Brees had all the mechanics of Schottenheimer's (sp?) gameplan down last year, and the team suffered for it. The entire team, with Brees leading them, have it down this year, and I think that they could "prove it ain't a fluke" easily next year - no one gave the Chargers a chance this year to even compete with the teams in their division. What have they accomplished?
* Swept the Raiders in their season series (which they haven't done in a while)
* Split the season series with Denver (which since Plummer joined the Broncos, they hadn't won a game until this past Sunday, and the earlier game in Denver was a winnable game for the Chargers)
* Defeated Kansas City IN Kansas City (which they haven't done since 1996)
* Defeated teams that they had to defeat (and should have defeated) - which isn't something they've done in the past

All I'm saying is that Brees has shown this year that he has the mechanics in him, and after being touted as the QB for the future of the Chargers, it's insane and dumb to place Rivers as the new QB next year. AJ Smith (and the rest of the organization) have a "Win Now" philosophy - they won't be satisfied with having to wait for Rivers to mature enough to be a premier QB in the NFL.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by polarpi
But is this year the fluke, or was the mediocrity?

I don't think the Brees had all the mechanics of Schottenheimer's (sp?) gameplan down last year, and the team suffered for it. The entire team, with Brees leading them, have it down this year, and I think that they could "prove it ain't a fluke" easily next year - no one gave the Chargers a chance this year to even compete with the teams in their division.

Uh, the mediocrity lasted for four years, this has lasted for 12 games against the worst schedule in football - you tell me what the 'fluke' is.

Also, not to nitpick, but the Chargers were a chic pick to 'surprise' given their returning cast . . . and this assumed Rivers would start!

Originally posted by polarpi
What have they accomplished?
* Swept the Raiders in their season series (which they haven't done in a while)
* Split the season series with Denver (which since Plummer joined the Broncos, they hadn't won a game until this past Sunday, and the earlier game in Denver was a winnable game for the Chargers)
* Defeated Kansas City IN Kansas City (which they haven't done since 1996)
* Defeated teams that they had to defeat (and should have defeated) - which isn't something they've done in the past

-The Raiders . . . suck
-Denver . . . is decidedly mediocre
-KC . . . sucks
-The teams they 'had to beat' . . . mostly suck

I'm just pointing out how light the SD schedule has been. It's still a massive step forward, but it hasn't required a herculean effort on the part of Brees and his considerable supporting cast.

Originally posted by polarpi
All I'm saying is that Brees has shown this year that he has the mechanics in him, and after being touted as the QB for the future of the Chargers, it's insane and dumb to place Rivers as the new QB next year. AJ Smith (and the rest of the organization) have a "Win Now" philosophy - they won't be satisfied with having to wait for Rivers to mature enough to be a premier QB in the NFL.

If AJ Smith decides not to wait on Rivers, and goes for the "win now" mentality, the Chargers will be the 49ers within 3 seasons. You should better hope, as a diehard bolts fan, that he's smarter than what you just described . . . giving Brees a long-term deal at market value will cripple the team, you just can't carry $70-80 million in QB contracts. It's not feasible, is it?

So I think it's 'insane and dumb', as you put it, to retain a guy with only one good season under his belt. Especially when you put so much time, effort, and money into getting the right guy for your system in Rivers . . . unless Mr. Smith made a less-than-stellar pick there?

[polarpi]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Also, not to nitpick, but the Chargers were a chic pick to 'surprise' given their returning cast . . . and this assumed Rivers would start!

Okay, well I don't remember ever hearing that during the preseason, so thank you for pointing that out to me.

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-The Raiders . . . suck

All right, true - but they have beaten both the Broncos and Tampa Bay (who the Chargers play this week), so they can't be ALL bad

-Denver . . . is decidedly mediocre

Surprisingly, I don't think that they're that mediocre - they beat some very strong teams (again, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego) but also suffered some big losses (Atlanta, Oakland, San Diego, Jacksonville)

-KC . . . sucks

Now, their record may not be the greatest, but they have defeated Indy this year (one of three teams to do so thus far), so I wouldn't say they suck - maybe they're misdirected?

-The teams they 'had to beat' . . . mostly suck

All right, but that's also the case completely in the NFC (c'mon, teams that are below .500 in the hunt for the playoffs?)

I'm just pointing out how light the SD schedule has been. It's still a massive step forward, but it hasn't required a herculean effort on the part of Brees and his considerable supporting cast.

Maybe that's the perception outside of San Diego, but the media reports here keep highlighting the huge effort and teamwork that the Chargers (and Brees in particiular) have been putting out week in and week out. Even in the first few weeks when the team had lost to the Jets and the Broncos, the media was calling for Rivers to be put in to the starting role, and forget about the playoffs for this year. But Marty and his coaches kept with Brees, and it's paid off well for them. I also don't think that the schedule (last place parity or not) has been that easy for them. They went and played at Houston, at Atlanta, at Jacksonville, and will be playing at Cleveland and at Indy in the final weeks of the season. For me, a "light" schedule, if Indy was included on it, would put Indy playing here in San Diego during the regular season (rather than preseason, where the Chargers could've beaten them then - preseason or not, it's a win! )

If AJ Smith decides not to wait on Rivers, and goes for the "win now" mentality, the Chargers will be the 49ers within 3 seasons. You should better hope, as a diehard bolts fan, that he's smarter than what you just described . . . giving Brees a long-term deal at market value will cripple the team, you just can't carry $70-80 million in QB contracts. It's not feasible, is it?

Well, that's potentially possible, but then again, maybe not

So I think it's 'insane and dumb', as you put it, to retain a guy with only one good season under his belt. Especially when you put so much time, effort, and money into getting the right guy for your system in Rivers . . . unless Mr. Smith made a less-than-stellar pick there?

And that's another judgment call....I wonder if part of the reason we wanted to get Rivers was as a response to the Eli Manning debacle? I *personally* think that Brees has had more than one good season.

But, feel free to disagree with me. This is just my personal, uneducated thoughts of the situation.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by polarpi


But, feel free to disagree with me. This is just my personal, uneducated thoughts of the situation.

haha, fair enough - regardless, it's awesome for the Chargers, and I hope they can build off it juuuust enough to lose to the Steelers. Past that, all is well.

[KSigkid]

Drew is gone after this year, although I'd be interested to see if they franchise him and give him a 1 year deal. It would surprise me for Rivers to get no time next year with the contract, but they can't just completely cut ties with Drew. I wouldn't go much past that for a guy who's numbers haven't been all that great up to this year (a contract year). His rating has never been higher than the mid-70s, and he'd thrown for more picks than TD's until this year. Maybe it's the start of something good, but again I wouldn't count on him being the longterm answer with all that money going to Rivers.

They have taken advantage of the weak schedule, which not every team does. However, I'm not sure how far they'll go in the playoffs in a strong conference.

I give the Chargers credit for a very good turnaround though. To go from getting the #1 pick to challenging for a division title is worth some kudos. Certainly better than my G-men are doing.

[DeltaSigStan]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

THANK YOU to the Jets (The Patriots' whipping boy BTW) for ending this aberration!!!!!

BYE BYE DREW!!! It was nice knowing ya! Have fun wherever they trade you. Don't worry, Phillip and Doug can handle it....hahahahahaha

This was as close as it was ever going to come....don't let the door hit your ass on the way out....

Nate Kaeding looks like he's the son of that monster from the goonies.

[polarpi]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
THANK YOU to the Jets (The Patriots' whipping boy BTW) for ending this aberration!!!!!

BYE BYE DREW!!! It was nice knowing ya! Have fun wherever they trade you. Don't worry, Phillip and Doug can handle it....hahahahahaha

This was as close as it was ever going to come....don't let the door hit your ass on the way out....

Kudos, Stan - the Chargers are out of the playoffs. The two biggest mistakes? Marty's penalty in the first half and running three times to set up Kaeding's missed field goal. I'm royally pissed, but I still support my team, and Drew will be back next year - I don't know if Doug will or not.

Next year, Stan, next year