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09-10-2002, 08:58 AM
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In regards to the sisters of Sigma:
I don't understand why some of they came over to bake the house pledges cookies and write them cute poems so late in the process. Did they do that for the rest of the pledges? Probably not. You don't beg NO ONE to be your sister. If you start kissing a#! just to have someone join your organization, you have to continue to kiss it to keep them. It's not worth it. If the sisters wouldn't of done that if the sisters were acting the way they thought a pledge should act, then the sisters shouldn't of done anything. It's like they were rewarding them for being disrespectful. They should of never waited until the last week of pledging to clean up their mess. I really hope they make a lot of changes from this experience.
to Mara and Jordan:
why Why WHY did they wait until the day of initiation to make their grand speech???! They planned all of that before hand. Did you all hear Jordan say something like she doesn't know how she can do her big speech in the end? That was so rude. From the minute they got in the house, they had problems. If they really had a problem with the sisterhood, they should of left a LONG time ago. Why did Jordan even take the test? That was some bull! They tried to ruin the entire night for EVERYONE. That made me soooooo mad.
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09-10-2002, 09:39 AM
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Ok, i think we all either knew that either jordan was going to depledge or get kicked out. I wouldn't be surprised if MTV gave her money just to go through the process.
As for the Mara thing, obviously a follower. I think that she decided not to do it when she realized that Jordan- her butt buddy was seriously not going to do it and didn't want to be left with Amanda and Candace. She honestly did not give any concrete reasons (that we saw) that she didn't want to be initiated....or did i miss that?
DeDe totally cracked me up last night with her little speech "either do it, or don't do, its a sorority! if ya don't like it, don't do it!"... i think she was sick of them all.
I really liked the end though when Candace was like "its like going to church and wondering if you are the only person who isn't feeling god...thats how i felt the entire time until initiation, and then I finally felt the sisterhood."
i thought that was so sweet!
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09-10-2002, 09:40 AM
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I nearly had a heart attack this morning...
when I turned on the radio and heard the dj's discussing the final episode of Sorority Life. Frist of all, they were not greek, so they had no idea what they were talking about, and they completely believed that what they saw on MTV was how it really was. Then, they actually asked people "who graduated a long time ago and don't care anymore" to reveal their rituals!!!  Thank goodness the two women who did call in and said they would tell their rituals didn't reveal the names of their organizations and didn't say anything more specific than that you wear white and sing and learn a secret handshake. I just fired off an e-mail to them to explain the difference between "Sorority Life" and real life. So, there are some of the reprecussions we were all talking about before!
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09-10-2002, 10:08 AM
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I think that she decided not to do it when she realized that Jordan- her butt buddy
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ROFL. I haven't heard that one in a long time.
Hey, Jordan. Buh. Bye. I hear the Man Show is having girls jumping on trampoline auditions, but you might have to de-crunch the hair a tad bit because if you jump too high it will completely destroy what's left of the ozone layer.
Mara - congrats on being the new "Amanda" in Jordan's life.
Amanda - congrats on finally growing a backbone. I was so glad to see that she decided to make a decision independent of Jordan and do what SHE wanted to do.
Candace - I think she might have started for the camera time but surprised herself by actually making some connections.
And MAJOR MEGA PROPS to Leah for saying "We didn't break them down." She was absolutely right.
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09-10-2002, 10:12 AM
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The more I watched it, the more I thought Jordan was in it for the MTV exposure. It may be rude to say but without her, there would hardly be any drama.
The last episode was good, it was good to see some sisterhood for once. And I admit, I was hooked on the show too.
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09-10-2002, 10:58 AM
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I think in the beginning of this show everyone was horrified at the prospect of putting an MTV twist on a sorority. It was a given that some of the people who pledged would not have gone through the efffort if it wasnt for the cameras. From the commentaries given by Mara and Jordan on mtv.com - they said the editing was accurate. The only thing not shown was that they actually went to class and studied etc.
I do want to say that the sisters of Sigma did do some things that were positive for the Greek system. In my opinion they really squashed the idea that some people still have - that if you are in a sorority - you are drunk all the time - and you sleep around. Whenever the cameras were out on the town with everyone, the sisters were dressed appropriately, they were not intoxicated, and they really were shown having fun with their sisters. The pledges on the other hand were the ones getting drunk and dancing in a way that really wasnt tasteful outside a strip club
The sisters also demonstrated a lot of class - and I think represented their house well. Of course there were some bad apples who appeared on camera to be jealous and hateful - but the majority of girls did seem to be great.
All in all I think the ladies of Sigma did a good job in showing the world another side of sororities - and if it hadnt been for a few bad sisters, and a few more bad pledges - this whole thing would have been very successful
On the last episode - I was not surprised about Jordan - however I was very shocked that Mara dropped. I am disappointed that they did it in the middle of dinner before initiation - but it appeared that nobodys evening was ruined.
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09-10-2002, 11:22 AM
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Man, y'all are killing me!!! Why you guys are all the sudden applauding the Amanda-Candace friendship is beyond me. Now true enough, Candace DID seem somewhat more mature in the last episode. But anyone that watched the marathon this weekend should recall the KISS! I am sorry, but that is a deal breaker for me. Amanda has found someone else to latch onto.
As far as Mara, I don't think she was following Jordan so much as she was just overwhelmed by the whole thing. If anything, Jordan de-pledging probably just made Mara more comfortable since she wouldn't be alone. Jordan on the other hand tried to recruit people to drop with her, and notice who she appealed to first! lol. She almost had Amanda too til a Sister got in her ear. Amanda did not grow a backbone, she just went with the last thing she was urged to do.
Although I think it was wrong of the sisters to judge Jordan based on hearsay and also to confront her so disrespectfully after her nana's death, I DO NOT agree that they broke her down. lol! If something like THAT breaks you down, maybe you ought to reevaluate your personal strength! But overall, even though I am going against the grain here, Jordan was still my favorite. She seemed more genuine (personality-wise, forget intentions) than most of the other girls. Drama? Yeah, but after this experience she might just reevaluate that too.
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09-10-2002, 11:34 AM
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I think that all of the people on this board who are being so hard on Jordan and Mara need to sit back and think about how their lives would look on camera. Are you a saint who has never made mistakes or become emotional at times?
If we were judged by our behavior in college, everyone would be critical of us, too. The women on these boards who are so hard on the pledges were obviously the "bully actives" in their sororities - your insecurities are very transparent.
It's easy to judge people and make hypocritical statements when you are so far removed the situation. Casual judgements and sweeping generalizations are the attidutes that give sorority women a bad name. If you were a senior in high school, would you want to join a chapter if you read some of the statements on this board, I wouldn't.
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09-10-2002, 11:55 AM
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Here's the thing.....
Jordan punked the big sisters the ENTIRE show and they allowed it. LOL. If I would have heard one more, "Well, maybe we should have a talk with her", I was going to scream. How much talking can you do? Clearly, this girl had no desire to join SAEPi and wasn't interested in bonding or following any type of rules. Kick her out already. I know they didn't want to be "exclusive", but dang. Are they that hard up for members? Jordan never took responsibility for her actions. The whole show consisted of her waiting for someone to apologize to her for some offense or another. Dude, shutup already about the apologies. I'm still cracking up at how she played them the entire time, with no intentions of ever initiating, and then upstaged them at their own ceremony. Oh, the comedy.
I wasn't feeling Mara at all until the end when she said something to the effect that she made mistakes, pissed some people off and because of that, she had to deal with the wrath and consequences that come with breaking the rules. I still don't see how she was treated so bad, but at least she realized that any "bad" treatment she received was in direct response to her actions.
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09-10-2002, 12:02 PM
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Although I think it was wrong of the sisters to judge Jordan based on hearsay and also to confront her so disrespectfully after her nana's death, I DO NOT agree that they broke her down. lol! If something like THAT breaks you down, maybe you ought to reevaluate your personal strength! But overall, even though I am going against the grain here, Jordan was still my favorite. She seemed more genuine (personality-wise, forget intentions) than most of the other girls. Drama? Yeah, but after this experience she might just reevaluate that too.
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I agree with you. I think that I would of rather see Mara and Jordan join before Amanda and Candance. I really don't think that the chapter would benefit much from Amanda and Candance being apart. They just seem really flaky to me.
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09-10-2002, 12:04 PM
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I've only been watching the show on and off, but I did catch last night's episode.
Who the h*** waits until initiation night to make some pseudo-grand speech that is embarassing? That was so low of both of them. They shouldn't have even shown up for the dinner.
I did like the blond girl's comment about "it's just a sorority." I think there are a lot of people who can take sorority life WAAAAY too seriously, and whoever this blond was had the right idea.
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09-10-2002, 12:13 PM
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I think that all of the people on this board who are being so hard on Jordan and Mara need to sit back and think about how their lives would look on camera. Are you a saint who has never made mistakes or become emotional at times?
If we were judged by our behavior in college, everyone would be critical of us, too. The women on these boards who are so hard on the pledges were obviously the "bully actives" in their sororities - your insecurities are very transparent.
It's easy to judge people and make hypocritical statements when you are so far removed the situation. Casual judgements and sweeping generalizations are the attidutes that give sorority women a bad name. If you were a senior in high school, would you want to join a chapter if you read some of the statements on this board, I wouldn't.
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Oh please. As much as I defend Jordan and other people who I feel are being uneccessarily picked on, I get so tired of these comments. No one on GC has voluntarily allowed their lives to be taped, no. But when you sign up for an MTV reality show, best be prepared for what ensues! Now do I agree with all of the cattyness? No. But I also don't think that just because these girls signed up for a freaking MTV "REALITY" show VOLUNTARILY that we should automatically bow our heads in sympathy when the inevitable happens. I mean it is on national TV, it is fodder for discussion. I agree with you about the judgment part, but the overall tone of your post is like, "don't talk mean about them! It is not the pledge's fault they tried to get into a sorority to get some airtime on MTV!" Except it totally is. And "no, don't say mean things about Sigma! They didn't try to make Greek Life look bad to everyone not familiar with it!" Except they totally did.
Again, don't get me wrong. I was one of the main people on the millions of other SL threads telling people to not be so catty and judgmental. But I really don't think this particular thread has crossed that line. Get over it.
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09-10-2002, 12:17 PM
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I agree that it was tacky and inappropriate for them to come to the dinner, donned in black and make their "speech." Although, it would have been a drama bubble for Sigma to deal with if they had done it quietly or with Becca because everyone would have been speculating and gossiping about it so at least everyone else who is affected first hand got to see and hear it for themselves - but some of the Sigmas drove me crazy by complaining to Becca about "sisters" concerns, never claiming their concerns for themselves. I was surprised Mara didn't initiate and it was interesting that she got up first to speak - I honestly don't think Jordan would have done it publicly if Mara wasn't a part of the production - she's loud but she's really not that strong! All in all I think the experience is going to be good for Candace - it will give her something constructive to do with her energy and unlike some people who don't have a personality until they pledge, she will be better channeling her energy. I thought they started with 20 - 6 in the house and 14 outside - how did they get down to 10??
Just a side note and maybe because I'm older, but the stuff some of the sisters and pledges had on seemed inappropriate for an initiation ceremony (tube dresses, tank tops, capris, etc.), but that's just me!
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09-10-2002, 12:25 PM
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hmmm...my thoughts on the situation...
i think that i had most of those girls pegged from the beginning...with one or two exceptions...
jessica-the one who truly reflected what sorority sisters, let alone the sigmas should be...although, she did have moments when her "i'm the peacemaker, why are you hurting me" attitude urked me.
dee dee-she kept a low profile..she wasn't all in the cameras acting a fool..she seemed to know & remember her true purpose of being in that house & school.
candace-definitely trying to be on tv..mtv, to be exact...heck, she didn't even understand the basic background of the sorority that she was going to pledge into...her unruly & unsisterly behaviour (kissing your pledge sister's crush) is & was unacceptable....but, her dad wasn't playing around..so, it kind of shows that she's probably just acting out b/c she doesn't have supervision.
amanda-i don't want to say that she's not cute, something's going on with her face that i can't put my finger on...this maybe why she's so insecure...she's like the friend fan...whoever she thinks is cool, she becomes their biggest fan...following like a puppy until they get tired of her.
the exceptions:
mara-at the beginning, i was like she seems to be one of the few who really understands what the sorority is about & will probably represent herself & the sorority well on national tv...WRONG!!! mara became a friend fan...jordan's..shoot, she probably thinks that she & jordan are really friends...it would be interesting to see how long that "friendship" with jordan will last...maybe until she does something that jordan doesn't like & doesn't get around to giving her the demanded apology fast enough.
jordan-i liked her..she seemed like a cool person...not so much a sorority person, but cool anyway...however, she claims that she has a hardshell b/c of the so many times that she's been hurt, blah blah blah..but, bat an eye, sneeze wrong, don't jump or ask how high when she says jump & it's "you f*cked up!! you owe me an apology!! right now!!" i laughed when she was at her mom's...her mom knows the deal & was like "it's always drama with you, jordan"...jordan is totally full of it! she thought she could manipulate her original friend fan into dropping...that didn't work...so, she moved onto her newest friend fan. she continued to try to manipulate amanda when she gave her stupid & mindless speech at the dinner...talkin' about "losing a best friend"...she'd said Amanda wasn't her best friend & smirked about it when mara was saying that she probably thinks she is...so, the boo hoo hoo was all for show.
i can understand that the sigma sisters didn't want to change their way of doing things & become something that they weren't, but they should not have allowed the dumb & dumber show to proceed...they should have stopped mara as soon as it was clear where she was going...it was inappropriate...that was not the time, nor the place...they should have said, well thanks for the interest & your honesty--please leave...jordan shouldn't have been allowed in there at all..she hadn't taken the test!! i hope the sigmas learned something & will maybe revamp their way of doing things...you don't have to become this all exclusive group, but there should be a clause that gives them an out if need be...which i thought that that's what the point system (merits & demerits) was for...but, that must have been a very liberal system, as well.
**the attire: oooh, yes, i totally forgot to make a comment on that..some of the sisters had on those thong sandals..i was like are they getting pedicures in that room or something??...the outfits covered the gamut...which is slightly weird for what is suppose to be their "most sacred" ritual ceremony imo...
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09-10-2002, 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jhawkalum
I think that all of the people on this board who are being so hard on Jordan and Mara need to sit back and think about how their lives would look on camera. Are you a saint who has never made mistakes or become emotional at times?
If we were judged by our behavior in college, everyone would be critical of us, too. The women on these boards who are so hard on the pledges were obviously the "bully actives" in their sororities - your insecurities are very transparent.
It's easy to judge people and make hypocritical statements when you are so far removed the situation. Casual judgements and sweeping generalizations are the attidutes that give sorority women a bad name. If you were a senior in high school, would you want to join a chapter if you read some of the statements on this board, I wouldn't.
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Well said, but I never wouldda put my ass on TV for the nation to watch either. I know enough to keep my biznass to myself.
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