"An accused child pornographer shoves a former crack dealer out of the #1 spot..."

[nikki1920]

I ain't know he had a baby boy.

He is wrong as a snowsuit in the summer for sexing that little girl, but I think Sparkle was more wronger (yes, I know that's not a word) for bringing the tape to authorities three years after the fact. What good did that do for her neice? And who was Sparkle looking out for? HER dang SELF.

[lovele1978]

I heard on the radio this morning that it has not been confirmed that Sparkle was the one that handed in the tape. IMO if she is the one that turned the tape over, shouldn't she be charged with knowing this information for so long and not turning him in?? I don't think that she turned in the tape because she felt as if her neice was wronged by Kelly, I think that this was her way at getting back at him for whatever personal beef they have. If she was that concerned she would have turned the tape over to the POLICE and not the media from the jump!

[Professor]

I'm really missing something. In NC it is a crime to not report abuse to children. To that end, the recent events with leaders of the church and RRRR Kelly having sex with kids makes me wonder how can church folk avoid the law and how can someone with evidence of wrong doing not also be held accountable.

[Kimmie1913]

Originally posted by techie_girl_44
Am I the only one who is a little at the charges he is being indicted for? Child pornography? Hello, what about child molestation? Statuatory rape? I mean what's really going on? I hope that these are just the first round of charges and that prosecutors plan to use these charges as a jumping off point.

In my experience, it is difficult to prove a crime a gainst a person with an uncooperative witness. I mean what creates more reasonable doubt that the person who you say is the victim getting on the stand and saying it is not me, it did not happen. It helps that there is a tape but it is not a guranteed conviction by a long shot. The child porn charges are easier for them to make stick.

[Kimmie1913]

Originally posted by Professor
I'm really missing something. In NC it is a crime to not report abuse to children. To that end, the recent events with leaders of the church and RRRR Kelly having sex with kids makes me wonder how can church folk avoid the law and how can someone with evidence of wrong doing not also be held accountable.

It is a crime in many jurisdictions but I wonder how often people are actaully charged. It is one thing if the victim is herself coming forward and saying I told my teacher two years ago and he did nothing about it v. not KNOWING when someone came to know it was happening. Sparkle (if she turned in the tape) could always say she just came across it two days before she turned it in and did not know anything before that. They would have to prove what she knew and when she knew it. That is not that easy thing to do.

[strobelitehoney]

Originally posted by lovele1978
I heard on the radio this morning that it has not been confirmed that Sparkle was the one that handed in the tape. IMO if she is the one that turned the tape over, shouldn't she be charged with knowing this information for so long and not turning him in?? I don't think that she turned in the tape because she felt as if her neice was wronged by Kelly, I think that this was her way at getting back at him for whatever personal beef they have. If she was that concerned she would have turned the tape over to the POLICE and not the media from the jump!

I totally agree with you on her turning the tape over sooner. (IF she was the one who turned it in) IMHO I think she is the one that turned it in. Because as soon as the isht hit the fan, SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE SAYING THAT, THE GIRL ON THE TAPE WAS HER NIECE. Now i'm like the tape JUST CAME OUT, how did you come to that conclusion so quickly. Anyway, you know the parents of sparkle's neice is saying that, it isn't her in the video.
On the radio this morning, their was a lawyer(not on the case) saying that THEY (assuming the police) are looking for the girl IN THE VIDEO, to prove that she was a minor at the time and still is a minor. I was thinking, any girl could come up and say that, it is her in the video. Whoever she is, she is probably to embarrassed to say anything, due the the nature of what's going on. DO YOU ALSO KNOW that same lawyer on the radio also said that there is a chance that he may not serve all 15 years, and that he could get out in 6-9 months, and that's IF HE GOES TO TRIAL, AND IS CONVICTED ON ALL 21 COUNTS.
It's always some loopholes somewhere.

[nikki1920]

My main thing is that the tape was made three years ago. A person cant change in three years? And with all the talk going on in Chicago, why didn't anyone say anything sooner? hmmm

Not being anywhere near a lawyer, I know that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Without the girl's or her parent's cooperation, the state can't proceed with any statutory rape charges. They had to stick to child porn charges. I am wondering why the parents arent coming forward (other than the obvious embarassment to their child). That strikes me, as a parent, as odd. Had he not taped it, there would be no case. Did anyone see BET NEWS last night, with the lawyer for the other "victims'? She made a statement that she hoped that he would be fined, and then would go on to be successful so that he would have a ready cache of money available to compensate these other women. I had to shake my head at that. If they were so "traumatized" by the alleged abuse, why did they wait until he was already down to say something? hmmm..

Listening to the Russ Parr and Olivia Fox show this morning, she commented that black women are quick to criticize each other, ie, saying the girl was fast, etc. What do you all think? I am inclined to agree with her, from personal experience.

Ok, Last question. When his next record comes out, will you buy it? I will. I like his music.

[nikki25]

Originally posted by nikki1920
black women are quick to criticize each other, ie, saying the girl was fast, etc. What do you all think? I am inclined to agree with her, from personal experience.

Ok, Last question. When his next record comes out, will you buy it? I will. I like his music.

Question 1: R. Kelly is the person on trial. It is clear that these girls were in no position to be making adult decisions. So, I'm not judging their deeds, because "that ain't my job".

Question 2: I have not purchased one of R. Kelly's CD's since 1996...largely because his values aren't my values. I will not purchase his CDs in the future for the same reason.

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by nikki25


Question 1: R. Kelly is the person on trial. It is clear that these girls were in no position to be making adult decisions. So, I'm not judging their deeds, because "that ain't my job".

Question 2: I have not purchased one of R. Kelly's CD's since 1996...largely because his values aren't my values. I will not purchase his CDs in the future for the same reason.

I agree.

I bought 12-play waaaaay back when, when I was a kid and not listening to the content in my music as much as I do now. I remember MY first hint of something being wrong with the man was when he had that "You Remind Me of My Jeep" song. I HATED it so much. How dare you compare me to an inanimate object was my feeling hten, and it pretty much lasted through the rest of his music career.

I would NEVER buy an R. Kelly cd, and have been of that mindset for years now. I do not want to support that man and his way of life with my money. I wouldn't even DOWNLOAD R. Kelly music.

[QuickandSmart]

Originally posted by nikki25


Question 2: I have not purchased one of R. Kelly's CD's since 1996...largely because his values aren't my values. I will not purchase his CDs in the future for the same reason.

I think it all boils down to values and responsibility. Nobody is holding the artists that spew filthy lyrics accountable. I'm not sure when true creativity became masked for perverse fools who have no shame stepping up to a mic. Why does there music and lifestyle get through while others are Never given a chance of communicating enlightened, talented music? And, on a spiritual level, this perversion just keeps multiplying and multiplying until it comes back and kicks our community in the face. We are so much better than that. There is no way that radio should be playing a lot of this filth over and over. But we just listen to it and keep right on shaking and stepping. So sad...

[prayerfull]

Sorors....You know, Soror Norma is going to have to pick a new "SONG". My sorors know what I'm talking about.

[QuickandSmart]

Originally posted by prayerfull
Sorors....You know, Soror Norma is going to have to pick a new "SONG". My sorors know what I'm talking about.

LOL !!!!

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by prayerfull
Sorors....You know, Soror Norma is going to have to pick a new "SONG". My sorors know what I'm talking about.

Ooooooo yessssss...

[Professor]

buy his next cd if he's singing jail house rock!

[prayerfull]

The FBI has now verified and authenticated the R Kelly tapes as "child pornography". Therefore, ANYONE in possession of those tapes is subject to criminal action..on the grounds of posession of child porn.

So, if anyone you know (certainly none of you "own" the tapes!!) purchased one of the tapes on the street, then you might want to suggest that they destroy it immediately!