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Old 03-10-2015, 08:17 AM
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http://oldgoldsoul.com/2015/03/09/i-...en-saehatesme/

http://www.franbecque.com/2015/03/09/march-9/

http://oldgoldsoul.com/2015/03/10/i-...er-saehatesme/
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:22 AM
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Thanks for posting these, Sen, and for writing two of them.
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Old 03-10-2015, 10:40 AM
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I thank me for writing them too.

Lol jk. Fran has posted a follow up. Would post the link but I'm currently mobile.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:28 AM
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I thank me for writing them too.

Lol jk. Fran has posted a follow up. Would post the link but I'm currently mobile.
I also thank you for writing and sharing your posts. You have a powerful way with words.

Since you're mobile, I'll share the link to Fran's follow up blog from today:

http://www.franbecque.com/2015/03/10/march-10/

I have some thoughts about this story and both your posts and Fran's, but I'm trying to formulate them beyond blurting out "racist assholes!" in regards to the chapter. I will post later once I get it somewhat together.
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Old 03-10-2015, 11:31 AM
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Fran's follow up is on her home page:
http://www.franbecque.com

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and I know some of those mothers (and fathers, too. I am not discounting them, but as I said, I was writing it from the perspective of a mother) are this morning wondering what they did and what they could have done differently.
Sen: I appreciate your comments. As white people we are responsible for our own call to action, and sometimes with our actions we are getting it right, but unfortunately most of the time we aren't.

Fran: We can do more as mothers. Much more.

My parents were both raised in the South by fathers who were racist. One man openly used the “n” word until the day he died. The other- ironically a minister- never used that word but never had to. His words, thoughts and actions portrayed anyone of color as less educated, less moral, and of less value and thus it was clear exactly where his heart was.

To my parents' credit they grew into adults who openly rejected those views. They worked very hard to show my brother and I that we are to love all people, and that all people are equal in the eyes of God and should therefore be equal in eyes of man, etc., etc. I grew up watching my parents embrace all my friends, male and female, with no difference shown to those of a different race. They had effectively broken the pattern of racism.

Or had they?

As they navigated the waters of raising children to have a very different mindset than what they had been taught to have, they made one huge mistake. They focused 100% of their teaching on treating others as equals, and that we aren’t different because “we all bleed red.” It was the “kum ba yah” approach to race relations. They truly believed they were doing the right thing by taking this approach.

But at no time did they ever mention lynchings. Bombs in churches were omitted too. Police brutality against people of color? Nope, never heard that message. All white juries sentencing black men to death with no evidence? That was never discussed either. Even though (or maybe because?) they had seen these things first hand, these historical facts, along with scores of other pieces of history, were never taught to me.

And don’t kid yourself that my 1980s white-fight suburban Texas public education system covered any of that. We were lucky to get 5 minutes on Rosa Parks and maybe a day of MLK. The Civil Rights Era was covered in much the same manner as the women’s right to vote… people wanted equality, a few said no, then boom- the government stepped in and now we are all happy.

When you grow up in white-flight suburbia you aren’t witnessing the effects of racism either, and there are but a few people of color in your entire school.

Therefore, I was well into adulthood before fully grasping the true ugliness of our history, understanding what is meant by privilege, and questioning my parents on why they had sanitized race relations. I asked around. Virtually all of my white friends had the same account: grandparents who were racists, parents who grew up in the Civil Rights Era, and they being raised to love but without any of the horrid, horrid details of what it is like to grow up as a person of color in the country.

I think many of today's NPC/NIC GLOs have kids with similar stories. Thus the racist themed events, but their decries that they weren't being racist at all. Thus, bystanders staying quiet while horrific words are chanted.

Therefore, as white people, we have to do a MUCH better job of educating our youth on our ugly history. We are failing miserably at this, and that includes many well-intentioned individuals. Highlighting the racial bias that has existed, and continues to exist, won’t make a generation of kids with racial bias. Studies prove otherwise. In fact, they will grow up to have more compassion and understanding for those around them and better recognize the position of influence they are in.

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Old 03-10-2015, 12:18 PM
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I grew up in the San Francisco Bay Area. Hispanic and Black classmates were the norm when I went through school, graduating in 1972. So we're Asians, actually. But when I had a crush on an Asian guy in HS, my parents went ballistic! So, racial prejudice goes many ways. I don't like it and in my kids world, as an Air Force family, we lived and worked with people who followed the same rules and regulations and had the same opportunities, regardless of their race. I'm not going to claim to be colorblind, as that U.S. a hot button, but I gave spent a lot of my 61 years in situations where color blindness was the norm.
Today, almost 41 years after my Initiation, after almost 30 years as a volunteer on the International level, and with 4 daughters who are also sisters, I truly wonder why we are here. Why does the Greek system continue down the path of just killing itself? Why does the "we've always done it this way" attitude prevail? Why do alumnae continue to say they WERE an XYZ? Why do alumnae continue to support these stereotypes? I wonder if I can make a difference in the minds of the collegians I work with.
It's a very sad day for the overall Greek System.
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Old 03-10-2015, 01:02 PM
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The two students who led the singing of the racist chant have been expelled from OU-see here
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:06 PM
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The two students who led the singing of the racist chant have been expelled from OU-see here
I'm glad there are going to be consequences for these students. I was embarrassed to hear Tri Delta(s) were involved. I do have a question though: It was mentioned above about how free speech is all about the government not limiting your speech, blah blah blah. But in this case, the president of this university is acting on behalf of a state university, so isn't that, in essence, the government interfering with these students' right to free speech?
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Old 03-10-2015, 02:04 PM
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An article from Inside Higher Ed:

""The Greek letter system is talked about as though it's full of good, upstanding young gentleman and then there's these bad apples that are unique," Hughey said. "While that may be true at some chapters, it turns the conversation into a matter of good versus bad, and ignores all the ugly that surrounds the whole system."
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:03 PM
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One of the young men expelled is identified as Parker Rice, recent graduate of Jesuit Prep, a prestigious private school in Dallas. They are so proud...

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Old 03-11-2015, 04:10 PM
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One of the young men expelled is identified as Parker Rice, recent graduate of Jesuit Prep, a prestigious private school in Dallas. They are so proud...
I read that his family has had to move out of their house because of the threats made on his life and to some extent, theirs as well.

Jesuit is a private Catholic school with famous alumni, and well to do (and well known) parents from all over Dallas send their boys there. As a former longtime Dallas resident, a high school teacher in a north Dallas school district, and active in the Panhellenic system in Richardson/Plano, my kids knew many Jesuit boys. I can only imagine the alcohol and complete lack of judgment along with a desire to be "cool" have led to a lifelong mark on this student. I hope his parents are able to impress this on him.

When you have a child go off to college, you think "oh, thank you Lord, he/she got through high school. My worries are over". Not so. Stupid starts on a whole new level. You just don't know about it.
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Old 03-11-2015, 04:17 PM
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Two articles I came across via twitter that made me stop and think a little.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...w-david-french

http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...iolence-031015
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:16 PM
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As long as white people understand the correlation between incidents such as this and race-ethnicity-culture themed events.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:18 PM
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Old 03-11-2015, 12:04 AM
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That's not an apology. It's a bunch of excuses.
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