University of Southern California Recruitment

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by kaeb

Quota is not one fixed number at USC. I know of at least three different quota numbers for this year, not to mention the houses that were capped for dirty rushing.

I don't know why this is, and could not even begin to explain it, but that is how it is here.

Could you please cite your sources for this information? Otherwise, I ask you to remove your post, and I will then delete my QFP. Because your post is, for lack of a better word, unsubstantiated information.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt: perhaps you do not completely understand quota? or the MOI?

[KSUViolet06]

Small note here: Quota may be set as a range, per the RFM Specialist. Ex: a chapter I worked with used range set quota of 8-10.

Now I don't know about "capping" for dirty rushing. That is not allowed, per the MOI. No Panhellenic can stop a chapter from taking women as punishment for an infraction.

[Titchou]

Just so everyone can see that this is a Unanimous Agreement, from the MOI:

JURISDICTION OF PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATIONS
Panhellenic associations are based on democratic principles and organized to afford cooperation among the women’s fraternities. Panhellenic members shall respect and obey the letter and spirit of all National Panhellenic Conference unanimous agreements. Panhellenic associations’ constitutions and bylaws shall conform to all unanimous agreements.
1. College Panhellenic Associations
A. The administrative body of a College Panhellenic Association is a College Panhellenic Council.
B. A College Panhellenic Council shall be comprised of delegates selected by individual chapters from the NPC fraternities.
C. A College Panhellenic Council shall take no action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are not limited to the following:
i. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average.
ii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a chapter’s participation in membership recruitment.
iii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a woman’s participation in the membership recruitment process.
iv. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a qualification for pledging or initiation.
v. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a minimum number of members.
vi. Surveying to collect data that reflects a chapter's internal information or requiring documents that are considered confidential material regarding the chapter's internal operations.
vii. Lowering a chapter’s quota as a penalty.
viii. Requiring a chapter’s Panhellenic delegate to be a specific chapter officer.
ix. Enacting a College Panhellenic governing document provision or sanction that infringes on the sovereignty, rights or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities.
x. Voting to contradict an NPC Unanimous Agreement.

[mamagreek]

This all started with a talk of quota: Do we know what quota was at USC?
If so, the new member classes have been reported as follows:

Tri Delta: 90
Gamma Phi: approx. 88
Theta: 82
Pi Phi: 87

Any other numbers for the rest of the chapters? Thank you in advance.

[kaeb]

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[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I have friends on Panhellenic and who are RCs. I don't want to post their names because that doesn't seem fair to them.

So what I've posted is hearsay (from those friends), but I have no reason to believe it is not true.

Quota was also a range at USC last year.

I don't know about quota additions, but I don't think those explain the varying quota, since the houses with the smallest quotas are not necessarily the largest chapters before recruitment.

Houses were also allotted more "free" juniors/seniors this year.

Kindly review the bolded. Essentially, you're repeating gossip. For what purpose? Please tell me, how is that Panhellenic in spirit?

[Westcoastgal]

Alpha Phi: 86 new members

[Titchou]

Quota is always a range. It is then narrowed to a set number by the RFM specialist assigned to the school and the Greek Adviser. It often can happen that top recruiting chapters take just quota and that other groups take 10-15% more making it look like the chapter with lower numbers did not make quota. But that is not the case. An example, a few years ago, quota was 24 at a school I have worked with. All the groups made exactly quota except for 1 who took 33. It looks as if 3 didn't make quota and one did. The fact was all made quota and ALL the quota additions went to the one group.
I could cite other examples too but suffice it to say that just because a group took the lowest number does not automatically mean they took less than quota.

And let me repeat, ALL chapters have the same quota. Period. End of story. No other way about it. Anything else and NPC would be on them like, as we say around these parts, white on rice. Your friends are giving you bad information - whether they are mkaing it up or just repeating something someone else has said. It may also be that they do not understand RFM any better than you do which can cause a lot of false assumptions.

I suggest you get a copy of the MOI, most likely available from the secure part of your national organization's web site, and read it = cover to cover. It will be enlightening. And then you can quota chapter and verse to your friends and ask that they explain themselves.

[kaeb]

I was trying to add more information to the discussion.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I was trying to add more information to the discussion.

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

[kaeb]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say, the troll in me just can't.

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment.

I merely thought that the curious minds on GreekChat would want to know what I know (or apparently, think I know). I apologize, and will keep such information/misinformation to myself in the future.

[dukedg]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

From my experience advising, I don't think RCs know anything really that is going on with recruitment numbers; I don't think anyone on the Panhel board does either, other than those officers on the recruitment team. Were any of your sources these specific officers? The ones who see chapter invite lists, PNM's rankings, etc.? Even in those cases, I often notice those women misunderstand some elements of formal recruitment or at the very least misuse terminology. It takes many years and go rounds with recruitment to get the hang of everything!

[28StGreek]

Originally Posted by kaeb

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say

AN; FTFO

[28StGreek]

Bid Night from a different perspective



ps: I saw this on my instagram feed; apparently there are some puerile boys are calling this tradition this year 'The Running of the Biddies'; at least according to its caption

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????