University of Southern California Recruitment

[kaeb]

I was trying to add more information to the discussion.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I was trying to add more information to the discussion.

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

[kaeb]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Best to make sure it's accurate first.

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say, the troll in me just can't.

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment.

I merely thought that the curious minds on GreekChat would want to know what I know (or apparently, think I know). I apologize, and will keep such information/misinformation to myself in the future.

[dukedg]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I have no reason to disbelieve the women who told me what I posted. I trust them, and I have no reason to think they'd tell me incorrect information. The only way I could have "made sure it's accurate first" is to actually be on the Panhellenic board (which I can't be, for various reasons that are not germane to this discussion) or be an RC (which I elected not to apply for, as I figured I would better serve my chapter as an affiliated member during formal, and it also conflicted with my schedule—not that that is any of your business).

From my experience advising, I don't think RCs know anything really that is going on with recruitment numbers; I don't think anyone on the Panhel board does either, other than those officers on the recruitment team. Were any of your sources these specific officers? The ones who see chapter invite lists, PNM's rankings, etc.? Even in those cases, I often notice those women misunderstand some elements of formal recruitment or at the very least misuse terminology. It takes many years and go rounds with recruitment to get the hang of everything!

[28StGreek]

Originally Posted by kaeb

Ok I was going to stay out of this, but what can I say

AN; FTFO

[28StGreek]

Bid Night from a different perspective



ps: I saw this on my instagram feed; apparently there are some puerile boys are calling this tradition this year 'The Running of the Biddies'; at least according to its caption

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I will be the first to admit I know next to nothing about RFM, ICS, or any assortment of acronyms that have to do with formal recruitment, and I don't entirely understand how quota works at USC, or at other schools, beyond that it has something to do with the number of girls who sign bid cards, the number of chapters, and whether a house was under campus total before recruitment

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

[Tulip86]

Originally Posted by Titchou

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment! You obvioulsy are not Greek - which is fine. But don't talk about things as if oyu know how it works. A chapter can pledged quota even if it is already at or above total. That has NOTHING to do with quota.Read the rules. Listen to those of us here who have been advisers, national officers, etc and know the rules or read them yourself. If you would like a copy of the MOI, I would be more than happy to send you a copy.

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

Seriously? She is Greek, and not a sockpuppet, just because someone dares to contradict you or doesn't wholeheartedly agree with you doesn't mean they are trolls. JMHO

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

Whoa, kaeb has been a poster here for a long time, and has contributed much to our discussions of USC in the last two years. She is a member of an NPC group that limits its participation in FR.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

^That was truly unnecessary. I'm not even involved in this thread.

I have one, and only one, username on this message board. Surely you can report any sock puppet concerns to the moderator or admin for clarification prior to launching baseless accusations.

ETA: And there is no need to send any further nastygrams to my PM box, as I will not respond (as you already know).

[SoCalGirl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Just so everyone can see that this is a Unanimous Agreement, from the MOI:

JURISDICTION OF PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATIONS
Panhellenic associations are based on democratic principles and organized to afford cooperation among the women’s fraternities. Panhellenic members shall respect and obey the letter and spirit of all National Panhellenic Conference unanimous agreements. Panhellenic associations’ constitutions and bylaws shall conform to all unanimous agreements.
1. College Panhellenic Associations
A. The administrative body of a College Panhellenic Association is a College Panhellenic Council.
B. A College Panhellenic Council shall be comprised of delegates selected by individual chapters from the NPC fraternities.
C. A College Panhellenic Council shall take no action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities. Infringements include but are not limited to the following:
i. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average.
ii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a chapter’s participation in membership recruitment.
iii. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a condition for a woman’s participation in the membership recruitment process.
iv. Requiring a scholastic grade point average as a qualification for pledging or initiation.
v. Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a minimum number of members.
vi. Surveying to collect data that reflects a chapter's internal information or requiring documents that are considered confidential material regarding the chapter's internal operations.
vii. Lowering a chapter’s quota as a penalty.
viii. Requiring a chapter’s Panhellenic delegate to be a specific chapter officer.
ix. Enacting a College Panhellenic governing document provision or sanction that infringes on the sovereignty, rights or privileges of the individual NPC fraternities.
x. Voting to contradict an NPC Unanimous Agreement.

Originally Posted by SoCalGirl

Question for the quota debate. Can a CPC prevent a chapter from taking QAs as part of a punishment due to some infraction? They'd still be allowed to bid to quota, just not any bonus members.

Originally Posted by Titchou

NO, ma'am. Read the UA I quoted in a previous post. the CPC can not limit membership in any way other than setting quota and total. And they apply to all groups no matter what.

Your quote from above does not reference QAs. QAs are in addition to quota, not part of quota. Restricting QAs would not violate that section of the green book; which is why I wonder if restricting QA is permitted for punsihing an infraction.

Anyone else have any idea?

[28StGreek]

Originally Posted by Titchou

You obvioulsy are not Greek

Oh darling, bless your heart.

[kaeb]

Originally Posted by Titchou

No, ma'am, it has NOTHING to do with being under campus total before recruitment!

I thought that's what quota additions were? To get houses who weren't at total to quota? My apologies.

Originally Posted by Titchou

You obvioulsy are not Greek

Darn my Angle-Saxon/Germanic heritage. Good thing my sisters love me for who I am, even if I am not, in fact, ethnically Greek... (not that I've ever pretended to be) That is what you mean, right? Because I'm pretty sure I am a part of the Greek system here at USC—unless I've hallucinated my new member period, my initiation, the important positions I hold and have held in my house, and the amazing moments of sisterhood I've experienced—in which case I would hopefully be getting help, and not be on Greekchat.

Originally Posted by Titchou

Are you HartofSec's sock puppet??????

No. I don't think I've ever read one of HartofSec's posts (I'm guessing he/she posts mostly about the SEC? I'm all about the PAC-12, myself!). I do love that this is the second time I've been accused of being a sock puppet account for posting anything about USC, though. Clearly I forged my join date of two years ago, and my 170 posts (which admittedly aren't that many, but enough to be a nuisance to create out of thin air) were all added after the fact...

Now for an en masse apology.

I'm sorry. As you can see, I've retracted my statements about quota etc at USC. It was not my place to share them, but I came from a well-intentioned place. I do not want my friends to get in trouble for this, whatever I should not have shared but did is my fault. To defend them, I don't think anything they told me was confidential—it was just things that are not common knowledge, for whatever reason. (And I delineate between confidential and not common knowledge as such: confidential things are things people shouldn't know, for a legitimate reason, and things that are not common knowledge are things people just don't know because they haven't been told, e.g. that 10 members of a house's exec board are allowed to move into their sorority's house a day before the rest of the sorority can, or that chapter are allowed to correct one computer mistake, etc). The fact that houses get caught dirty rushing is not a secret, as the consequences of it are visible every year in one way or another.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by kaeb

I thought that's what quota additions were? To get houses who weren't at total to quota? My apologies.

I think a lot of people get confused with the lingo. You may be confusing QAs with snap bids and/or COB.

QAs are in place to assist PNMs, not really chapters (not that the chapter doesn't benefit). To oversimplify, if a PNM is unmatched after quota has been filled (and the PNM maximized her options), the RFM specialist will place the unmatched PNM on a bid list for one of her preferenced chapters. Some RFM specialists will place the PNM in the smallest preferenced chapter, others will place the PNM on her highest ranked chapter, others may use other criteria completely. In the past, quota additions were capped at 5% of quota, but since PNMs were going unmatched, that restriction has been eliminated. Typically, the chapter will not know which new members are QAs and which were on the original matched list.

Snap bids are utilized by the chapter immediately after bid matching but before bid distribution, in order to assist the chapter in reaching quota. Regular chapter members are usually unaware that a new member has been snapped rather than matched. The new member will know, and maybe the recruitment chair and a few other officers of the chapter.

COB bids are used to assist the chapter in achieving chapter total and are extended after formal recruitment has concluded.

Both snaps and COB bids are executed by the chapter, not the RFM specialist.

[mamagreek]

Does anyone know the QUOTA NUMBER for 2012 formal recruitment at USC?

Feel free to fill in the number of new members for the following chapters:

Alpha Chi Omega:
Alpha Delta Pi:
Kappa Kappa Gamma:

Alpha Phi: 86
Delta Delta Delta: 90
Delta Gamma: 78
Gamma Phi Beta: 88
Kappa Alpha Theta: 82
Pi Beta Phi: 87
(these numbers were all taken from prior posts -- they are not official). Thank you!