12-year-old tased by police officer

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't think anyone in this thread suggested that the police should do that at all. I know I didn't. Some things such as administrative policies (pay, vacation) and civil rights laws are "set in stone" but many policies involving actual field police work are not set in stone but act as more an official guideline to follow giving consideration to the officers discretion. No two situations are the same so to even suggest that a single "standard" policy can and should cover everything under the sun is ludicrous. Police need room to adjust and adapt.

Then you can understand why there always has been and always will be discussions of police practices and how far police are able to adjust and adapt. That is what some of us are doing.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Sure she looks 12, but if you told me she was 15, I'd have taken your word at it just as I did briefly from other sources before I did my own checking.

Still under the age of 18 which is why this is about age range as much as exact age.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Still under the age of 18 which is why this is about age range as much as exact age.

Different folks develop so differently that even 18 is a pretty arbitrary number when you get right down to it. How many restrictions do you want to place on officers in the field? Can you get them to go through umpteen mental checklists before deploying their taser while some hysterical little person is bullrushing them for attempting to make a lawful arrest? Especially when other adults are interfering? I don't really think so.

Step back and look at the whole situation instead of individual little factors. Was the officer outnumbered at least 3:1? Was it bad enough that he placed three people in custody? Did he reasonably fear for himself if he had lost control of the situation? So far, the St. Louis P.D. has said the actions taken were appropriate.

[Kevin]

No, not whatever. Dejamon Baker is 12 years old.

I can understand a CHILD crying and being frantic if a parent is being (what the child may perceive as) randomly arrested at the mall. The 12-year-old CHILD was the only person tasered.

Controlling for her mother's traffic warrants, perhaps you would view tasering a 12 year old child differently if she looked like this 12 year old girl:

Funny.. all I could tell you cared about was the fact that she was a CHILD (in caps) and that apparently she wasn't white.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Funny.. all I could tell you cared about was the fact that she was a CHILD (in caps) and that apparently she wasn't white.

Because you are slow. Luckily, no one is holding you back but yourself.

[Kevin]

Oh God yes... let's chalk this one up to white privilege or some shit without any evidence to support. That's the ticket.

--or maybe, simplest explanation being the likeliest, the cop's word should be taken over that of the multiple ex-felon... how 'bout that possibility?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Oh God yes... let's chalk this one up to white privilege or some shit without any evidence to support. That's the ticket.

--or maybe, simplest explanation being the likeliest, the cop's word should be taken over that of the multiple ex-felon... how 'bout that possibility?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Iota Man

You're KKKevin, so I would be surprised if you said the opposite. Have a seat dude. You're an arrogant, dumbass idiot.

He's definitely slow.

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

He's definitely slow.....

Racist, and arrogant too.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Iota Man

Racist, and arrogant too.

Is the cheering section done yet?

[Kevin]

Each of these incidents is unique. Examining commonalities of a lot of isolated incidents is foolish. What does this incident have with the one I posted a link to? Not one thing. Here, we likely had a felon being arrested and the adult and child interfered with that arrest and considering none of them are facing charges and only one got tased, they had a pretty good day.

AThe only reason I bring up white privilege at all is that I'm still straining to see why you injected race into this thread in the first place. That was you on the page 1 I apparently can't get past. And here you are bringing in an entirely different thread.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Each of these incidents is unique.

No, they are not. Addressing commonalities (in addition to differences, when applicable) is part of what fuels discourse, research, and policies and practices.

Originally Posted by Kevin

The only reason I bring up white privilege at all is....

...because you are the one who brought up white privilege. If you wanted to know what I meant on page 1 you should have asked for clarity pages ago.

Originally Posted by Kevin

And here you are bringing in an entirely different thread.

Just like you brought up Sandusky.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No, they are not. Addressing commonalities (in addition to differences, when applicable) is part of what fuels discourse, research, and policies and practices.

Yeah. This thread is research and will result in new policies and practices. Good luck with that one.

...because you are the one who brought up white privilege. If you wanted to know what I meant on page 1 you should have asked for clarity pages ago.

What you said on page one was extremely clear. It was a jackass personal attack.

Just like you brought up Sandusky.

Would you rather I have told a Michael Jackson joke?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah. This thread is research and will result in new policies and practices. Good luck with that one.

You sound ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Kevin

What you said on page one was extremely clear. It was a jackass personal attack.

Never confuse a personal attack on Kevin with a mention of white privilege. Google Image "12 year old girl" and see what you find.

Now that you have gotten the hell over it....

Originally Posted by Kevin

Would you rather I have told a Michael Jackson joke?

Tell a Kevin joke. Those are endless.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You sound ridiculous.

And you're expecting thread on the interwebs to lead to new understandings of commonalities which could lead to greater understanding of...?

So very likely.

[als463]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yeah. This thread is research and will result in new policies and practices. Good luck with that one.



What you said on page one was extremely clear. It was a jackass personal attack.



Would you rather I have told a Michael Jackson joke?

Or...Here's a thought: You could not make jokes about child sex abuse. Whether you are trying to make fun of the pedophile or not, the point is that it is coming across as you thinking child sex abuse is funny. If you want to derail the thread about whether or not a child should be tased--whatever but, to take it to the level of thinking sexual abuse is a laughing matter then, I have a problem with that.

This makes me think of a friend of mine who is a nurse and makes jokes about people who are mentally handicapped. I would never send my family members to a professional who makes light of something so serious. The same could be said about an attorney who views child sex abuse as something to make light of on a chat forum. I sure hope you never work with victims of sexual abuse since it appears to be a laughing matter for you.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by als463

I sure hope you never work with victims of sexual abuse since it appears to be a laughing matter for you.

You know nothing about me. In fact, I do a rather large amount of pro bono representing victims of abuse in juvenile deprived court after being taken away from abusive parents by child welfare services, usually trying to terminate the parents' rights. It's a very serious matter. I suppose you've never told or laughed at an off-color joke in your life?

I wasn't trying to be tasteful, neither were DrPhil or cheerleader, who think it's okay to throw around words like racist without giving it a second thought.