Prop 8 is to get a ruling today

[Amicus]

Being a Catholic in Latin America is like being a Baptist in the American South ... the range of religiousity runs from in-name-only to seriously devout.

Also in Latin America, one should note that there are increasing numbers of evangelical Protestants and Mormons who would take the conservative side on the issue.

[BluPhire]

**Sideline comment**

Why should we care what other countries are doing?

Also some would not agree that because other countries are doing it, they are ahead of US.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

**Sideline comment**

Why should we care what other countries are doing?

Also some would not agree that because other countries are doing it, they are ahead of US.

You make a good point. I think the solution may be to only allow homosexuals to enter into gay marriage. That way it won't affect heterosexual marriages.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

You make a good point. I think the solution may be to only allow homosexuals to enter into gay marriage. That way it won't affect heterosexual marriages.

*scratches head* Huh?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

You make a good point. I think the solution may be to only allow homosexuals to enter into gay marriage. That way it won't affect heterosexual marriages.

LOL

That statement made me laugh because I swear I heard it on some comedy show.

But seriously it does seem like that is how the conversation is going.

This country is so ahead of us because they allow gays to do this, or they allow gays to do that.

Unless I live in said country I really don't know whether they are truly ahead of us or not.

Heck the United Kingdom abolished slavery well before the US,. it still didn't make them ahead in race relations and Institutional inequalities.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

But seriously it does seem like that is how the conversation is going.

This country is so ahead of us because they allow gays to do this, or they allow gays to do that.

Unless I live in said country I really don't know whether they are truly ahead of us or not.

Right, but I think you'll live a happier and fuller life if you take things on face value - read those lines simply as "they're way ahead of us in terms of giving gay people the legal rights afforded to everybody else in terms of marriage" (which is demonstrably and unarguably true) and not as some ringing endorsement of Argentina as a queer Mecca.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Right, but I think you'll live a happier and fuller life if you take things on face value - read those lines simply as "they're way ahead of us in terms of giving gay people the legal rights afforded to everybody else in terms of marriage" (which is demonstrably and unarguably true) and not as some ringing endorsement of Argentina as a queer Mecca.

Untrue and spoken like somebody who's never been on the other side of discrimination.

Face Value gets folks killed all the time because they never dig deeper to find out the truth in life.

That's how Rwanda and now Darfur can get away with genocide.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

You make a good point. I think the solution may be to only allow homosexuals to enter into gay marriage. That way it won't affect heterosexual marriages.

Agreed. You must take a test proving that you are homosexual in order to enter into a gay marriage.
Quiz for Males in order to enter a gay marriage
1) Do you like Barbara Streisand music?
2) Can you correctly identify *why* this examiner is a fashion disaster?

Quiz for Females in order to enter a gay marriage
1) Is your hair completely straight and cut above your ears?
2) Do you manage to keep yourself from instantly swooning over a man with a pint of Aqua Velva poured over his entire beer belly?

Of course, now we have to figure out what questions to put on the test for heterosexuals.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

*scratches head* Huh?

Just being a smartass.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by naraht

Of course, now we have to figure out what questions to put on the test for heterosexuals.

It would have to be a written and oral.

Oral Test for Men

1) What is going on in this scenario.

Female spouse: "Let me tell you what happened with my day, first I get in the car, before I can get the car started good, my co-worker calls me to tell me that Rhonda, you know who Rhonda is...remember that b!tch that works three cubes down from me, man I hate her always walking around like she run something and don't even get me started on what she was wearing yesterday and blah blah...."

LOL I can't even finish the scenario I've already zoned out.

[Amicus]

To quote my 88 year old father on same sex marriage, "gays and lesbians have the right to be as miserable straight people."

BTW, my parents will be married 54 years in October.

[pshsx1]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

It would have to be a written and oral.

Oral Test for Men

1) What is going on in this scenario.

Female spouse: "Let me tell you what happened with my day, first I get in the car, before I can get the car started good, my co-worker calls me to tell me that Rhonda, you know who Rhonda is...remember that b!tch that works three cubes down from me, man I hate her always walking around like she run something and don't even get me started on what she was wearing yesterday and blah blah...."

LOL I can't even finish the scenario I've already zoned out.

I was expecting this to go another direction.

Then I realized that this is the test for heterosexuals... OOPS.

[Kevin]

The only way I could see Congress being able to force the marriage issue is via the spending power.. maybe.. as the denial of funds would have to be related to the subject of the bill and I don't know what that would or could be.

KSig suggests that Congress could do something, but how? I always figured marriage and the family were pretty clearly 10th Amendment subjects.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The only way I could see Congress being able to force the marriage issue is via the spending power.. maybe.. as the denial of funds would have to be related to the subject of the bill and I don't know what that would or could be.

KSig suggests that Congress could do something, but how? I always figured marriage and the family were pretty clearly 10th Amendment subjects.

I short-handed a LOT to make the larger point - I'm not entirely sure that there is really any way to guarantee gay marriage at a national level (other than striking down anti-gay-marriage bans from states in the courts), but I'm not a Constitutional scholar of any sort.

The larger point is still just that other nations allow gay marriage, not that Argentina's model is or should be identical to ours (because that would be, well, impossible).

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I short-handed a LOT to make the larger point - I'm not entirely sure that there is really any way to guarantee gay marriage at a national level (other than striking down anti-gay-marriage bans from states in the courts), but I'm not a Constitutional scholar of any sort.

The larger point is still just that other nations allow gay marriage, not that Argentina's model is or should be identical to ours (because that would be, well, impossible).

Well, if it violates the 14th amendment to ban same sex marriage (assuming the Supreme Court upholds that decision, or at least doesn't strike it down) wouldn't that provide precedent that extends outside the ninth district?

IMO if the feds revoke DOMA and permit same sex marriage as a status, then I think the Full Faith and Credit clause would force states to recognize same sex marriages performed out of state. Not sure then how it could unfold at the state level, besides "lots of different ways."