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05-14-2010, 07:25 PM
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1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.
2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.
3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.
4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.
5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.
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I think all of these are valid, but just wanted to co-sign that it is the amount that is now consumed during pregaming that seems to have changed.
We couldn't purchase alcohol until we were 21, but we were able (legally) to drink it in the house and in the dorms before our 21st birthday. As such, the whole *mystique* of drinking just did not exist. So most of us were able to learn just how much we could drink and perhaps more important, *what* we could drink without getting sick or too drunk. So by the time formals came around (end of the semester), we were not likely to get out-of-control drunk. We had learned how to drink for the "long haul" as it were.
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05-14-2010, 07:55 PM
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I just saw this about Alpha Phi in the Dayton newspaper a little while ago, and was wondering the same thing... WTH with greeks in SW Ohio?? I have lived in the region for over 30 years and have never heard of this number or type of incident before.
I understand stupid 19 and 20 year olds drinking too much. (I am a parent and former sorority advsor) That is nothing new. What seems to be new is the absolute lack of modesty and the over the top destruction. These incidents involve public urination and defecation, over the top trashing of public space for the "fun" of trashing it, and in your face public sex, with the accompanying breakage of bathroom hardware and run ins with venue staff. These incidents cross the line from partying to Neronian debauchery, and that is what seems new.
It may be caused by the entitlement mentality that parents have fostered. It may be that having sex since you were 15 and going on fabulous world class vacations every year leaves nothing left to try or experience except total debauchery and abasement. I don't know what it is, but I suspect that campus administrations are not going to put up with all this negative publicity for long without taking some long term actions.
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05-16-2010, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl
1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.
2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.
3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.
4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.
5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.
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Cosign 4 and 5 especially. I'm in the minority of people I know on campus, Greek or not, that has no problem going to a party sober. SO MANY people I know are like, "there's no way I'm going to go if I'm not drunk it won't be fun otherwise".
I'm not sure when the whole "you have to be drunk to have fun" mentality got to the point it is at now, but in Lexington at least, pregaming is a a bigger deal than the actual event!
Also, yeah, you have to EAT SOMETHING and know your limits, too.
Kids these days...
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05-17-2010, 11:26 AM
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I preface this by saying that the sorority members and their dates should take responsibility for their actions and should be punished by both the school and their national organizations.
However, it seems like its like the administration knew for a few years that these formals were getting out of hand and chose to do nothing about it/turn the other cheek. Only when they are faced with a media crisis, do they choose to dole out punishments. I think the administration should take some responsibility in this too.
I also think the "dates" need to be held accountable. Even a sober sorority can't control her drunnk date in relieving himself in an inappropriate place. The "dates" need to be held accountable by the school, or even their organization.
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05-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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Update May 27, 2010: Alpha Phi at Dayton: Penalties
Station WHIO's site reports:
http://www.whiotv.com/news/23696082/detail.html
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Posted: 11:24 am EDT May 27, 2010
Updated: 2:54 pm EDT May 27, 2010
DAYTON, Ohio -- A University of Dayton disciplinary board has placed the campus chapter of Alpha Phi sorority on one-year probation for damaging a downtown Dayton banquet hall during a late March social event.
According to University officials, the chapter will be required to make full restitution to the University for $2,309, which the University paid to the hall's owners for repairs; engage in alcohol-education activities; and make public written apologies to the University of Dayton campus community as well as the Dayton community.
During the probation, which extends through May 15, 2011, all sorority events must be alcohol-free and the group is prohibited from holding events off campus. . . .
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Looks like it's happened again in SW Ohio, this time at University of Dayton.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ty-705529.html
This one has yet to make huge media waves, and it appears the college will be holding individuals more responsible, even though Alpha Phi will be undergoing a disciplinary hearing soon. Some girls were gracious enough to go back to the venue and apologize face to face as well.
You know... I don't know what it is about SW Ohio recently... but it's making me wonder. Is this behavior nothing new, and it's just making public news now? Has it gotten this out of hand because GLOs havent been punished enough in the past for similar things? Is it a geographical thing? I've noticed high school parties around here make high school parties in columbus and northern ohio look like friday night bingo at the church hall. Or is it a new trend? Or is it the dates that are taking advantage of the situation (it's not THEIR organization, afterall)? Or is it just a lack of alcohol education and lessons in responsibility? Is it like this everywhere else in the US?
Probation and suspension were nothing I ever experienced in college. None of the 4 sororities at my small school would dare test the limits like this. Even the fraternities were never that bad...Sig Pi's were put on social probation for one year for having a party with kegs that didnt get registered with campus security, but that's all I can remember. I'm not saying we were goodies who never had parties... I just never saw anyone get to the point where school or National GLO discipline was needed.
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05-31-2010, 10:10 AM
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What in the name of all that is holy is going on at Miami? The following was taken from the ZTA national website
Official Statement from Zeta Tau Alpha on Beta Delta Chapter at Miami University
Zeta Tau Alpha Fraternity agrees with and respects the decision made May 27 by Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) to place our Beta Delta Chapter on probation for two years.
A small percentage of our members violated our national policies while traveling by bus to a social event at the Cincinnati Zoo on April 23, 2010. Their conduct did not reflect the standards and values of our Fraternity. Prior to the university hearing, our National Council had conducted our own investigation that resulted in a Fraternity-imposed probation and educational sanctions that the chapter must follow when school reopens in August.
“We regret that the actions of some of our members and their guests were inappropriate,” National President Laura Ladewig Mauro said. “Our internal investigation revealed that the majority of our members and their guests conducted themselves properly during the party at the zoo and on the buses. However, we teach our members that their individual actions reflect on the whole chapter and the entire Fraternity and we must remain diligent in reinforcing our values.”
Zeta Tau Alpha installed Beta Delta Chapter at Miami on March 18, 1926. The chapter has been a consistent recipient of Fraternity awards since 2000.
Zeta Tau Alpha was founded in 1898 at the State Female Normal School (now Longwood University) in Farmville, Va., and has 152 active collegiate chapters and more than 205,000 members worldwide. One of the nation’s largest Greek women’s groups, ZTA develops members’ leadership, academic and service skills, and supports breast cancer education and awareness as its national philanthropy.
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05-17-2010, 12:03 PM
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From what I understand from a friend at UD, the college is going to hold the individuals responsible as well as the sorority (regarding the Alpha Phi incident). The college paid the venue for the damages, and the college is making the students involved pay them back.
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05-20-2010, 11:28 PM
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and even those that do have housing aren't usually big enough to hold the entire chapter. our house only had room for 7, and it was saved for juniors and seniors. sophomores lived on "The Floor", which was a wing of a dorm designated for sophomore sorority members. each sorority had a wing. my chapter has a new house now though, and all are encouraged to live in it for sophomore and junior year (considered on-campus housing, the college built and owns the house, no live-in fees, it's a part of tuition). The college only allows seniors to live off campus.
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05-31-2010, 10:16 AM
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So now the question remains why two years from ZTA and AXiD and only one for Pi Phi?
I think the administration and all remaining groups at Miami need to take a hard look at Greek Life at Miami. 4 NPC organizations have been seriously sanctioned or closed in the past year. That is really scary.
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05-31-2010, 11:28 AM
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So now the question remains why two years from ZTA and AXiD and only one for Pi Phi?
I think the administration and all remaining groups at Miami need to take a hard look at Greek Life at Miami. 4 NPC organizations have been seriously sanctioned or closed in the past year. That is really scary.
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Just pointing out: ZTA is on probation, not suspension. Alpha Xi Delta and Pi Beta Phi were suspended. I know it's only semantics, but it does make a difference.
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05-31-2010, 12:29 PM
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Just pointing out: ZTA is on probation, not suspension. Alpha Xi Delta and Pi Beta Phi were suspended. I know it's only semantics, but it does make a difference.
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Ah..thanks, Lane. That does make a difference. I hadn't noticed that.
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05-31-2010, 12:33 PM
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Ohio is really damn flat and people get bored. That's my conclusion. You don't see this isht in PA, we've got constant road construction and hills and valleys to keep us occupied.
And as far as the difference in suspension length, I really do think it has to do with the venues that the groups were at. "Drunken sorority trashes civil rights museum" sounds a lot worse than "drunken sorority trashes resort with lake named after owner."
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05-31-2010, 12:44 PM
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Ohio is really damn flat and people get bored. That's my conclusion. You don't see this isht in PA, we've got constant road construction and hills and valleys to keep us occupied.
And as far as the difference in suspension length, I really do think it has to do with the venues that the groups were at. "Drunken sorority trashes civil rights museum" sounds a lot worse than "drunken sorority trashes resort with lake named after owner."
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Oh, I completely agree, but when I thought that the ZTAs were suspended for two years, that made me wonder what was so special about the zoo.
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05-31-2010, 11:23 AM
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What in the name of all that is holy is going on in Ohio!?!?!
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