Arizona governor signs immigration bill - Page 6

DaemonSeid · #1 04-28-2010, 12:06 PM

Meanwhile, John McCain is instigating this in the District

DaemonSeid · #2 04-28-2010, 12:45 PM

Businesses are being affected due to the law being passed

DrPhil · #3 04-28-2010, 12:55 PM

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Businesses are being affected due to the law being passed

Of course.

A lot of people think that's just punishment for coming into "our country" in the first place. I don't care what anyone says as they try to make themselves seem like a nice and nonbigoted person, a lot of people don't like immigrants who are first or even second generation Americans PERIOD. They wish there was a way to make them all suffer. Enter this new law.

This stood out to me:

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"Ours is a culture that consumes a lot -- food, drinks, clothes, you name it," said Rivas, periodically stopping to greet or wave at a customer. "If no one's out shopping, how can I afford to employ my workers? They're all here legally. What happens to them?"

They suffer just as a lot of people want them to. Taking our jobs and stuff. Speaking Spanish in the schools and stuff. Not meshing well with the existing racial and ethnic structure of this society. How are you going to walk around MY country and not know MY language?!

DaemonSeid · #4 04-28-2010, 12:58 PM

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Of course.

A lot of people think that's just punishment for coming into "our country" in the first place. I don't care what anyone says as they try to make themselves seem like a nice and nonbigoted person, a lot of people don't like immigrants who are first or even second generation Americans PERIOD. They wish there was a way to make them all suffer. Enter this new law.

This stood out to me:

They suffer just as a lot of people want them to. Taking our jobs and stuff. Speaking Spanish in the schools and stuff. Not meshing well with the existing racial and ethnic structure of this society. How are you going to walk around MY country and not know MY language?!

Dey tork auuhr jerrrrbs!

AOII Angel · #5 04-28-2010, 12:59 PM

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Dey tork auuhr jerrrrbs!

You know the solution....get to it!

AOII Angel · #6 04-28-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Of course.

A lot of people think that's just punishment for coming into "our country" in the first place. I don't care what anyone says as they try to make themselves seem like a nice and nonbigoted person, a lot of people don't like immigrants who are first or even second generation Americans PERIOD. They wish there was a way to make them all suffer. Enter this new law.

This stood out to me:

They suffer just as a lot of people want them to. Taking our jobs and stuff. Speaking Spanish in the schools and stuff. Not meshing well with the existing racial and ethnic structure of this society. How are you going to walk around MY country and not know MY language?!

Which is dumb anyway...they've shown that hispanic immigrants are assimilating at the same rate as prior immigrant groups. It takes a couple generations for the "melting pot" to smooth out.

DrPhil · #7 04-28-2010, 01:05 PM

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Which is dumb anyway...they've shown that hispanic immigrants are assimilating at the same rate as prior immigrant groups.

That depends on what the "same rate" is based on. Topic for another thread.

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It takes a couple generations for the "melting pot" to smooth out.

This never was and never will be a "melting pot." It is a "salad bowl"*** where you keep each vegetable in its own compartment until it's time to eat.

Meaning, this is an extremely racially segregated society where there remains identifiability for different racial and ethnic groups (a melting pot would mean that we melt into one more homogenous group). The average American only mixes with someone of another race and ethnicity in the workforce or another non-home/non-neighborhood/non-family/non-friend environment.

Another topic for another thread. But, how people feel about race and ethnic relations is correlated with how they feel about education, employment, crime, and immigration.

***There's nothing inherently wrong with a "salad bowl." I appreciate the social differences across racial and ethnic groups and never want us to "melt together." A "salad bowl" doesn't have to mean racial and ethnic segregation, but it's no surprise that's what it means for America.

AOII Angel · #8 04-28-2010, 01:30 PM

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That depends on what the "same rate" is based on. Topic for another thread.

This never was and never will be a "melting pot." It is a "salad bowl"*** where you keep each vegetable in its own compartment until it's time to eat.

Meaning, this is an extremely racially segregated society where there remains identifiability for different racial and ethnic groups (a melting pot would mean that we melt into one more homogenous group). The average American only mixes with someone of another race and ethnicity in the workforce or another non-home/non-neighborhood/non-family/non-friend environment.

Another topic for another thread. But, how people feel about race and ethnic relations is correlated with how they feel about education, employment, crime, and immigration.

***There's nothing inherently wrong with a "salad bowl." I appreciate the social differences across racial and ethnic groups and never want us to "melt together." A "salad bowl" doesn't have to mean racial and ethnic segregation, but it's no surprise that's what it means for America.

I don't disagree with you...that's why I put it in quotes. My point is that people argue that hispanics immigrants don't speak English, but neither did Italian, German, Russian, etc immigrants when they first got here. Their children learned English when they went to school. You could always go back to the neighborhoods and find tons of older immigrants who could only speak the "old" language. They've always called America the "melting pot" but I agree with your "salad bowl" label. Language evens out over generations, but for many groups, they never lose their special traditions nor should they.