Rapper Jay Z says "No more white lies, my president is black!"

PhiGam · #1 01-22-2009, 12:04 AM

It was said on stage at a major Obama inauguration post-party in the DC area. Just saw it on O'Reilly, no articles anywhere yet.

Sucks, I liked him until I saw this. A sad flare up of blatant prejudice.

DaemonSeid · #2 01-22-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

It was said on stage at a major Obama inauguration post-party in the DC area. Just saw it on O'Reilly, no articles anywhere yet.

Sucks, I liked him until I saw this. A sad flare up of blatant prejudice.

Ummm he is black...what is the problem? And you saw it on O reilly?

Yeah....speaks volumes...

Why would you look for an article? It's not that newsworthy.

DrPhil · #3 01-22-2009, 12:06 AM

Eh.....

Is this a random thought or a topic worthy of a discussion?

PhiGam · #4 01-22-2009, 12:10 AM

It bothers me that he said it on many levels, but especially the WAY that he said it. I was wondering if this bothered anybody else. Seeing it on O Reilly is irrelevant, I was upset by the video and that segment hasn't even come on yet.

DaemonSeid · #5 01-22-2009, 12:12 AM

you need to explain why this bothers you.

Actually...on second thought, don't.

and u aren't looking enough if you can't 'find' anything on it...I did with one click.

PhiGam · #6 01-22-2009, 12:27 AM

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you need to explain why this bothers you.

Actually...on second thought, don't.

and u aren't looking enough if you can't 'find' anything on it...I did with one click.

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

PM_Mama00 · #7 01-22-2009, 12:34 AM

The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

DrPhil · #8 01-22-2009, 12:41 AM

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The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

Uh...interesting.

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

Uh...interesting.

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As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

It matters but it doesn't end there. His comment was dumb for other reasons.

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And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

Whatever makes white people more comfortable with the idea. "I voted for the white side."

deepimpact2 · #9 01-22-2009, 06:05 PM

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And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

lmao Any other time someone who has a "drop" of black blood is considered to be black. Now people suddenly want to change that.

PM_Mama00 · #10 01-22-2009, 12:39 AM

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So what is he then?

Usually when one parents is one race, and the other parent is another race, it's called Bi-racial. Would you like me to look that up for you?

DaemonSeid · #11 01-22-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

Celebs have done it for years...where have you been?

And what was negative about what he said?

No more negative that all the slurs that the extreme right hype machine has pushed all last year to scare people into not voting for him.

Hmmm...

He's Muslim
He's Anti America
He a "Magic Negro"
He looks like Curious George....

and some of this bullshit has been perped by celebs who used their status to push their message.

You see where this is going?

Obviously you haven't listened to enough hip hop, rap and R and B, shit for that matter MUSIC, to know that many times artists have used the platform to talk about the government, if you are making statements like that.

Try some John Lennon or Marvin Gaye.

If you want something a little more current, try Public Enemy.

More current than that try Nas.

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That article didn't really speak to the racist remarks- it simply is predicting the rebirth of hip hop. I hope that he does spark a re-birth of hip hop but I hope that the results of this rebirth won't contain these kind of lyrics. If Jay-Z were to write a song about his happiness on election day (or something along those lines" then that would be a different story.
Admittedly, the more I think about it the more I realize that I was probably wrong to be angry about Jay Z speaking out as it was clearly at a political event.
That being said, I still find the content of the speech to be racist and offensive.

Maybe because it wasn't racist?

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

The last time I heard of a politician being "hip-hop" was Kwame Kilpatrick. And we all know how that ended.

I'll respect hip-hop when they stop singing about their lollipops and smacking a bitches ass. There was once a time when I actually was really into rap, but with this crap out there now I just can't respect it. And as much as I hate Kanye West, I do like his new stuff... but I can't and will never respect him.

As for Jay Z's comment, it should NOT matter what color the president is, or if it were Hilary's case, what gender. I think that's where the anger comes from.

And he's really not the first African American President. Last time I checked his mom was white.

So what is he then?

I.A.S.K. · #12 01-22-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam

One on level it bothers me because I personally would never associate an entire race of people with something negative. I think we can all agree that doing so is racist.
On another level it bothers me because I never like when celebrities use their status to get involved with politics. Especially when they say things that are (as Dr. Phil already said) dumb.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. In my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

DaemonSeid · #13 01-22-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. Im my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

damn.

Just....

Damn....LOL

you know some people hear what they want to hear...

PM_Mama00 · #14 01-22-2009, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. Im my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

Seeing the whole thing, it looks more like "white lies" means like "little white lies", however could be a double entundra (so spelled that wrong, but you get it).

PhiGam · #15 01-22-2009, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

"Never thought Id say this ish
Baby Im good
You can keep your Kush? (rhymes with Bush, idk what-poor quality)
I don't want no more Bush
No more war
No more Iraq
No more white lies
the president is Black"

If you listen to the whole verse not just that one line then I think the context can help explain it. In my opinion the white lies line refers to Bush and the war in Iraq not all white people.

Will.I.Am and Oprah were not on your Christmas card list huh? lol. Its okay. I understand.

The rest of the verse is fine but that one line is mean, divisive and offensive. Imagine the societal backlash that would occur if Alan Jackson sang about "black lies" when referring to Obama.
PM Mama: There is NO WAY that he was referring to "white lies" as in small lies that are OK if something good comes out of it in the end.