two groups with the same name

[LucyKKG]

Originally Posted by OTW

It says here Kappa Delta Fraternity was established in 1903.

You guys were first, 1897.

Yeah, but the internet wasn't very popular back then. Dial-up was slow, too.

[WaterChild]

Originally Posted by OTW

It says here Kappa Delta Fraternity was established in 1903.

You guys were first, 1897.

Oh, thanks. I hadn't managed to find that.

[RaggedyAnn]

Alpha Sigma is a local sorority in Wisconsin established in 1898.
http://orgs.uww.edu/alphasigma/home.html
Alpha Sigma is a society established in 1957.
http://www.alphasigmaalumni.org/
Alpha Sigma is a local sorority in New York established in 1992.
http://alphasigmasorority.com/alpha/index.html

[emb021]

Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

When I was an undergrad (back in the day!) I remember hearing of a local group at Furman Univ. (SC) that was called the Chios. We were told that Chi Omega never challenged their use of the name because eventually, it might be possible to have them as a part of Chi Omega when/if the campus decided to allow NPC groups.

That's not surprising.

When I was an undergrad there (early 80s), there were about a dozen fraternities/sororities, all local, because the university (at the time associated with the Southern Baptists) didn't allow any to be associated with any national group. (I head that one was, and was immediately 'kicked off campus').

All took greek names similiar to real national groups, BUT 'hide' them in their names. The TKEs were the "The Knights Eternal", the BEs were the "Brothers in Eternity" and the like. They would wear stitch with the greek letters, held rush, did hell week, etc. (for all I know, they might have been better behaved if they HAD been part of a national group and had to follow their rules...).

Since the university went independent, this rule was dropped and AFAIK, all the locals have now associated with national groups.

[stepson14]

Replying to an earlier post, The ZBXi frat in Geneseo was originally founded as ZBT, but after just a few years, the fraternity decided that it need not have a religious focus, and should not be restricted in any way socially, so Zeta Beta Xi was formed.

Since then, ZBXi has consistently been one of the biggest and most admired fraternities in Geneseo.

[PhiMu_Gator]

Originally Posted by SigmaSoror1997

Try belonging to a female fraternity! Most people think I am ignorant when I say I belong to a fraternity. I am soror of Sigma Alpha Iota, Theta Pi Chapter, Newport News Virginia. We were founded in 1911 - a bonafide female fraternity. No homo jokes.

oh goodness! I know!!! I'm part of Phi Mu FRATERNITY since it was founded before Panhellenic or the word sorority was even founded! ADPi was also founded before all of this but their nationals changed them to a "sorority" I believe but my nationals wanted to keep the Phi Mu Fraternity tradition. it's insanity I'm also part of the AKPsi business frat so I'm a sister & brother in 2 frats.

2 of my friends just got initiated into SAI! they love it and both are in a npc too!

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by PhiMu_Gator

oh goodness! I know!!! I'm part of Phi Mu FRATERNITY since it was founded before Panhellenic or the word sorority was even founded! ADPi was also founded before all of this but their nationals changed them to a "sorority" I believe but my nationals wanted to keep the Phi Mu Fraternity tradition. it's insanity I'm also part of the AKPsi business frat so I'm a sister & brother in 2 frats.

2 of my friends just got initiated into SAI! they love it and both are in a npc too!

I thought Phi Mu didn't change from Philomathean Society until 1904, which was after the NPC was founded in 1902. The Adelphean Society didn't even become Alpha Delta Pi until 1905 (after being Alpha Delta Phi), and this is all after Gamma Phi Beta founded in 1874, and "sorority" came into use. I'm not following your logic.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I thought Phi Mu didn't change from Philomathean Society until 1904, which was after the NPC was founded in 1902. The Adelphean Society didn't even become Alpha Delta Pi until 1905 (after being Alpha Delta Phi), and this is all after Gamma Phi Beta founded in 1874, and "sorority" came into use. I'm not following your logic.

Yes, Phi Mu remained as the Philomathean Society for some time before changing their name.

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I thought Phi Mu didn't change from Philomathean Society until 1904, which was after the NPC was founded in 1902. The Adelphean Society didn't even become Alpha Delta Pi until 1905 (after being Alpha Delta Phi), and this is all after Gamma Phi Beta founded in 1874, and "sorority" came into use. I'm not following your logic.

There is no logic there, sister.

[PhiMu_Gator]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

I thought Phi Mu didn't change from Philomathean Society until 1904, which was after the NPC was founded in 1902. The Adelphean Society didn't even become Alpha Delta Pi until 1905 (after being Alpha Delta Phi), and this is all after Gamma Phi Beta founded in 1874, and "sorority" came into use. I'm not following your logic.

sorry for not explaining. I believe our nationals chose to keep "fraternity" because the founding date of phi mu was earlier than the word sorority was created. so, they kept with the real founding date and not the name change. =)

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PhiMu_Gator

sorry for not explaining. I believe our nationals chose to keep "fraternity" because the founding date of phi mu was earlier than the word sorority was created. so, they kept with the real founding date and not the name change. =)

I see what you're saying, but I think the missing logic comes from saying that "nationals chose to keep 'fraternity.'" Before the name change, wasn't it the Philomathean Society? That being the case, wouldn't it be that, given its founding date, Phi Mu chose to call itself a fraternity rather than to "keep" fraternity?

[PhiMu_Gator]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I see what you're saying, but I think the missing logic comes from saying that "nationals chose to keep 'fraternity.'" Before the name change, wasn't it the Philomathean Society? That being the case, wouldn't it be that, given its founding date, Phi Mu chose to call itself a fraternity rather than to "keep" fraternity?

I guess nationals felt that since when you switch over to greek letters you're either a fraternity or sorority, they "kept" fraternity because if it would've been founded with greek letters, it'd be a fraternity. we're called women's fraternity, which is pretty funny to me, but that's how they want to keep it. and I mean "kept" also because I believe older orgs have changed from fraternity to sorority, not "keeping" fraternity, at least what I've heard.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by PhiMu_Gator

sorry for not explaining. I believe our nationals chose to keep "fraternity" because the founding date of phi mu was earlier than the word sorority was created. so, they kept with the real founding date and not the name change. =)

The only "sorority" is Gamma Phi Beta, correct?

[LucyKKG]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

The only "sorority" is Gamma Phi Beta, correct?

Nope. I know ADPi switched their name. There are a few more as well.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

The only "sorority" is Gamma Phi Beta, correct?

The list of NPC sororities and fraternities, as provided in the thread "Are you are fraternity, or a sorority?"

Per the list, the NPC has 15 fraternities and 11 sororities.